Usually I’m extremely sympathetic of Brexit woes considering the slim majority, lying Leave campaign, and considering the vote happened immediately after the EU refugee crisis where anti-EU sentiment was at a high all over the union.
I also usually remind the people that call for blood that, at the time, countries like France, Italy, Czechia, Austria, the Netherlands, Greece, and others had the same level or higher anti-EU sentiment. That people are lucky only the UK’s leadership was stupid enough to allow the vote to happen when it did, and that the UK’s population aren’t any more guilty or deserving of punishment than a slew of other European populations.
But UK farmers? Nah. These people are business owners who should be expected to do their research. These people should’ve known that cutting ties with the strictest food market on Earth and opening the floodgates to food from elsewhere would damage their business. They voted for Brexit overwhelmingly. I have much less sympathy for these people.
The positive is that the Tories are heading for an electoral catastrophe. And farmers hold immense sway for the Tories in a way they don’t with Labour.
A poll in early 2016, conducted by the University of Exeter, found that 46 per cent of the farmers they questioned said the interests of British agriculture would be best served by the UK remaining in the EU, while only 36 per cent indicated it would be better to leave.
Another poll a few days before the referendum vote found that 38 per cent wanted to remain, 34 per cent to leave and 28 per cent were undecided.
Two polls, one in December 2016 and one in December 2017, both with near identical results found that among the farmers who responded, 53 per cent voted to leave, 45 per cent voted to remain and 2 per cent did not vote.
at the time, countries like France, Italy, Czechia, Austria, the Netherlands, Greece, and others had the same level or higher anti-EU sentiment
I would very much doubt that, seeing as I’ve never heard of any significant leave campaign in any of these countries let alone any actual legislative move to do so.
Are you serious? You’ve never heard of, for example, France’s national front party, who was the their largest party in the EU parliament, headed by Marine Le Pen, and wanted to leave the EU?
Eurosceptic movements were huge all across the union, particularly after the refugee crisis. It’s only after Brexit that these movements have fizzled out.
I’m not saying that there aren’t other eurosceptic, I just don’t agree that they were at “the same level or higher” than in the UK.
As far as I’m aware, France has not left the EU indicating to me that euroscepticism in France has in fact never reached the same level as in the UK.
As I stated, the UK ended up being the only one to leave because the others didn’t hold referendums.
Your assertion that the UK being the only country to leave means it’s the only country that was very Eurosceptic is deeply flawed.
If every country in the EU had held a referendum in 2016, more would’ve left. The UK wasn’t unique in its views on the EU.
Cameron called for the referendum in an attempt to stamp out UKIP, who were weaponising the UK’s stupid FPTP voting system. He reasoned that by calling a referendum and winning, UKIP support would collapse, those right wing voters would go back to voting Conservative, the right wing vote wouldn’t be split, and they’d be able to stave off Labour, who wouldn’t benefit from a splintered right wing vote.
I mean, it was a cheap throwaway comment but since personal impressions are apparently the most important discussion point today:
My personal opinion is that the very fact that the UK had a referendum and did leave makes their Euroscepticism more real than bad polling results the EU may have had in other countries where that did not happen.
Just because you haven’t heard about it, doesn’t mean it’s not the case, jeez pull your head out your arse. France had a leave referendum too, and the majority voted leave, but they had politicians who were smart enough to ignore the results.
Why, thank you for your polite way of providing missing information to others.
You certainly make participating in this community an enjoyable experience.
And their disposition is counter to the experience you provide with posts derived from your ignorance and myopic assumptions? Is it really enjoyable to see misinformed posts all day long?
their disposition is counter to the experience you provide
I had inferred that from the post I replied to stating something that I had a different impression of.
It’s almost as if that was the very reason to reply in the first place.
ignorance and myopic assumptions? Is it really enjoyable
To be derided for minor disagreements?
I suppose it must be. Otherwise the level of discourse here could be considered somewhat unfriendly
Usually I’m extremely sympathetic of Brexit woes considering the slim majority, lying Leave campaign, and considering the vote happened immediately after the EU refugee crisis where anti-EU sentiment was at a high all over the union.
I also usually remind the people that call for blood that, at the time, countries like France, Italy, Czechia, Austria, the Netherlands, Greece, and others had the same level or higher anti-EU sentiment. That people are lucky only the UK’s leadership was stupid enough to allow the vote to happen when it did, and that the UK’s population aren’t any more guilty or deserving of punishment than a slew of other European populations.
But UK farmers? Nah. These people are business owners who should be expected to do their research. These people should’ve known that cutting ties with the strictest food market on Earth and opening the floodgates to food from elsewhere would damage their business. They voted for Brexit overwhelmingly. I have much less sympathy for these people.
The positive is that the Tories are heading for an electoral catastrophe. And farmers hold immense sway for the Tories in a way they don’t with Labour.
Challenging the myth that farmers voted for Brexit (and therefore deserve what’s coming to them…)
Interesting piece.
A poll in early 2016, conducted by the University of Exeter, found that 46 per cent of the farmers they questioned said the interests of British agriculture would be best served by the UK remaining in the EU, while only 36 per cent indicated it would be better to leave.
Another poll a few days before the referendum vote found that 38 per cent wanted to remain, 34 per cent to leave and 28 per cent were undecided.
Two polls, one in December 2016 and one in December 2017, both with near identical results found that among the farmers who responded, 53 per cent voted to leave, 45 per cent voted to remain and 2 per cent did not vote.
I would very much doubt that, seeing as I’ve never heard of any significant leave campaign in any of these countries let alone any actual legislative move to do so.
Are you serious? You’ve never heard of, for example, France’s national front party, who was the their largest party in the EU parliament, headed by Marine Le Pen, and wanted to leave the EU?
Eurosceptic movements were huge all across the union, particularly after the refugee crisis. It’s only after Brexit that these movements have fizzled out.
I’m not saying that there aren’t other eurosceptic, I just don’t agree that they were at “the same level or higher” than in the UK.
As far as I’m aware, France has not left the EU indicating to me that euroscepticism in France has in fact never reached the same level as in the UK.
As I stated, the UK ended up being the only one to leave because the others didn’t hold referendums.
Your assertion that the UK being the only country to leave means it’s the only country that was very Eurosceptic is deeply flawed.
If every country in the EU had held a referendum in 2016, more would’ve left. The UK wasn’t unique in its views on the EU.
Cameron called for the referendum in an attempt to stamp out UKIP, who were weaponising the UK’s stupid FPTP voting system. He reasoned that by calling a referendum and winning, UKIP support would collapse, those right wing voters would go back to voting Conservative, the right wing vote wouldn’t be split, and they’d be able to stave off Labour, who wouldn’t benefit from a splintered right wing vote.
I mean, it was a cheap throwaway comment but since personal impressions are apparently the most important discussion point today:
My personal opinion is that the very fact that the UK had a referendum and did leave makes their Euroscepticism more real than bad polling results the EU may have had in other countries where that did not happen.
Just because you haven’t heard about it, doesn’t mean it’s not the case, jeez pull your head out your arse. France had a leave referendum too, and the majority voted leave, but they had politicians who were smart enough to ignore the results.
Why, thank you for your polite way of providing missing information to others.
You certainly make participating in this community an enjoyable experience.
And their disposition is counter to the experience you provide with posts derived from your ignorance and myopic assumptions? Is it really enjoyable to see misinformed posts all day long?
I had inferred that from the post I replied to stating something that I had a different impression of. It’s almost as if that was the very reason to reply in the first place.
To be derided for minor disagreements?
I suppose it must be. Otherwise the level of discourse here could be considered somewhat unfriendly