Instead of just electrifying vehicles, cities should be investing in alternative methods of transportation. This article is by the Scientific Foresight Unit of the European Parliamentary Research Service (EPRS), a EU’s own think tank.

  • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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    7 months ago

    Only thing is that electrifying vehicles is a little easier than rebuilding a city (or part of it). And it don’t need to be a really old part, even a 60/70 years old city zone is relatively hard to convert. Not to speak of even older zones.

    But yes, newly build zone of city should be designed with this in mind.

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      7 months ago

      Actually it really isn’t easier to keep things car-oriented because building a city so there is enough room for cars is fundamentally impossible.

      • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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        7 months ago

        The point is not to build (or reshape) a city to have enough room for cars, but to build (or reshape) a city so that you don’t need to have (or to use so often) a car for the day by day.

        But yes, you can. Our cities are basically build this way, the only problem is that they are build with much lower number of cars in mind.

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          7 months ago

          I mean sure, you can absolutely build a city to have enough room for cars for 10 rich assholes and everyone else can deal with the fact that the city is built to cater to those rich assholes instead of the majority of its inhabitants but I think it was pretty much implied by my statement that a car-oriented city would be the kind that has enough room for all its inhabitants and visitors to use cars and that is fundamentally impossible since cities have a lot of people and cars need huge amounts of space per user.

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      7 months ago

      Is it easier or is it just shifting the cost? We’re talking thousands of cars needing electrification in any given city, at let’s say they get it to an average of $35k each.

      Picking a random city, let’s say Cincinnati. They already have some infrastructure but it’s largely car dependent. They have 148k households, of which 44.1% have one car, 25.2% have two, 6.8% have three, and 2.4% have four. So roughly 65k + 75k + 30k + 14k = 184k cars * 35k each or minimum 6.4 billion to electrify them all.

      I don’t know how much good public transit costs, but I have to imagine $6.4b can buy a fair amount of it.

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        7 months ago

        You anyway need a new car every 15 years. So no additional costs.

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      7 months ago

      In my (over 1,000 year old) city, blocking several streets with bollards and massively reducing street parking worked just fine so far. As did curbing traffic coming in, with longer “red” phases at traffic lights for cars entering, when sensors detect too many cars in the city.

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        7 months ago

        The “smart” traffic lights idea is very interesting, never heard of it. Which country is that?

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          7 months ago

          smart lights come in other forms:

          • If you are speeding, the next light detects it and nearly guarantees you get a red light
          • If you are not speeding, your license plate is read and entered into a lottery where you can win money from the pool of money collected by traffic violations.

          I don’t recall which country implemented what, but IIRC Canada, Sweden and Spain each had one of the above two systems.

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            7 months ago

            If you are not speeding, your license plate is read and entered into a lottery where you can win money from the pool of money collected by traffic violations.

            That’s the most dystopian and borderline insane thing I’ve read for some time.