• nutsack@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    nobody wins or loses. it’s decades of civilian deaths and economic devastation, until someone decides to quit. people think everything is ww2 it’s just not like that.

    • Beemo Dinosaurierfuß@feddit.de
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      7 months ago

      Good job repeating russian propaganda.

      Edit: Not that I care about internet points.
      But the thought that opposing russia would lead to nuclear war is exactly what Putin wants people in the west to think to keep bullying and suppressing everyone around him.

      He is bluffing though and he knows it.

      He said delivering supplies to Ukraine was the red line.
      He didn’t react when we did.

      He said delivering arms to Ukraine was the red line.
      He didn’t react when we did.

      He said delivering tanks to Ukraine was the red line.
      He didn’t react when we did.

      He said delivering planes to Ukraine was the red line.
      He didn’t react when we did.

      Because he can’t. He knows he would lose everything.

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          7 months ago

          Russia won’t dare to use nukes as long as the fighting happens within Ukrainian borders. Putin and the oligarchs aren’t willing to lose their kleptocracy over a piece of land they only tried to get because they felt it was a safe move. An actual NATO intervention would be a way out of the conflict for them without losing face.

        • Beemo Dinosaurierfuß@feddit.de
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          7 months ago

          Like I don’t know that, like anyone doesn’t know that.

          Still noone, not the winning side, and especially not the losing side has any real incentive to launch them first.
          It’s basic game theory, you never choose the option that has you lose absolutely everything, even if the alternative has you lose something big (like a war, or even your life).

          Even crazed dictators like Putin know this.
          And not even Putin can launch a nuke on his own. Even he needs generals and engineers that all know that not only they themselves will die if they obey, also their families will die, everyone they know will die if they obey.

          We will never see full scale nuclear war, because noone at all could ever want that.

          But Putin benefits from rubes just letting him bully everyone around him because, boo hoo he is so crazy and scary and after so many crossed red lines the next one surely is the one that makes him suicide himself, his wife, his daughter, his country, his place in history and anyone or anything he ever valued or cared about.

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            7 months ago

            Right and neither side has an incentive to push the other side to launch them so before a deciding victory a stailmate will occur and after a year or two the fighting will beginning again with no real problems solved and thousands of innocent young men paying for it

            • Beemo Dinosaurierfuß@feddit.de
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              7 months ago

              That’s just wrong for the simple reason that NATO is vastly superior in any form of conventional warfare.

              NATO against russia would be nothing like WW2.
              It would be a one sided beating.

              And russia would lose and lose fast.

              But russia would still have no incentive to be the first to launch nukes, because that would change the situation from bad to total annihilation.

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    7 months ago

    Let’s exercise to defuse the situation instead. This guy like the kid at school who shouts “fight fight fight” at school!

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        7 months ago

        Dont worry if there is going to be ww3 you will be able to tell it the Russians yourself.

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          lmao, Russia would get absolutely stomped especially at this point. They are doomed to be a CCP vassal state.

          They can’t even beat a smaller state like Ukraine, NATO would absolutely wreck what’s left of Putin’s shitty little kleptocracy.

          All Russia could try to do is launch nukes but they would get glassed immediately.

          You live in an insane fantasy world.

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            7 months ago

            You and which army? Have compared just the numbers of not total military personal but actual combat infantry vs support troops. Look man if ww3 comes around everyone who can talk and walk will be drafted. Additionaly how will be Russia glasses? By outdated Minuteman? Ive read how agitators in russia were talking of a 3 day war with Ukraine. Now look yourself. 100.000 have died regardless of “side” and we are still at the borders of 2022 with all fancy NATO equipment. War aint piece of cake. And the people on the top aint gonna fight. Its us who they send.

            Go watch all quiet on the western front.

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        7 months ago

        Dont worry if there is going to be ww3 you will be able to tell it the Russians yourself.