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Ace people? Yes. Pedophiles? No. It’s that simple.
Is it because society decided that they need to be treated with disgust because of something they don’t have control over, something they were born with, who they are?
Nope, it’s because they’re not looking for the same goals as LGBTQ+: a world where they can safely love whom they might love and where they can safely express who they are and their romantic and sexual desires or lack thereof to the same degree straight cis people do without persecution.
Whereas moral pedophiles would not want a world where they can actualize their romantic and sexual desires, so there’s no reason to form a coalition. Honestly, they’d probably do better with sociopaths who don’t hurt people, but I can’t see that playing well politically.
No it’s because they target children ?
Yes pedophiles acting on their urges are criminals, of the worst kind. Pedophiles that manage their urges should be treated like anyone else. They also deserve representation so that they can find the support they need. Just shoving them in a closet won’t help anybody.
Your statement is correct in that demonizing pedos only makes them hide it rather than seeking help, but in the context of this meme and conversation, I’m getting the implication that you think they should be included in the LGBTQ+ group, and I promise that will cause more harm than good.
you think they should be included in the LGBTQ+ group,
Honestly I don’t think I have any authority to speak on whether anyone should or shouldn’t be included in LGBTQ+. I just think they face a lot of the same struggles that people in the LGTBQ+ group experience. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they were included in the future.
and I promise that will cause more harm than good.
Could you expand on that?
I don’t know enough about the subject but I feel like pedophilia should be treated as a mental disorder and while I mostly agree with you about pedophiles who don’t act on it, I think what they need is psychological treatment and maybe medical. But putting them in the minority group like if they were lgbtqia for exemple, is only going to harm minorities and allow more pedophiles to feel legitimate in their urges, and maybe act on it.
But I might be wrong
I don’t know enough either. But for me this means I don’t want not err on the side of unnecessarly making people go through psychological treatment or even medical procedures. That’s what we have done to homosexuals and transgender people for decades and now most people agree that that was nonsense and actually pretty cruel. The affected themselves can choose to do any of these but they shouldn’t be pressured and certainly not forced to do any of it.
But putting them in the minority group like if they were lgbtqia for exemple, is only going to harm minorities and allow more pedophiles to feel legitimate in their urges, and maybe act on it.
I don’t think that’s true. Firstly, and it’s just a technicality, they are by definition a minority. But more importantly: Afaik they face a lot of the same challenges other minorities face. Fear of rejection in social groups, discrimination in the workplace, being forced to always be concious of hiding one aspect of yourself. Empathizing with that does not mean legitimating their urges, which is the main thing differentiating them from most other minorities. And I get that that makes it hard to empathize with them.
I also don’t think socially outcasting peoples urges is as effective as people think. Just look at the scandals in the churches that have been uncovered in the last few years. It just means that people hide their urges, never learn how to really deal with them, and then turn into predators because of it.
Yeah I never said socially outcast them. But I feel that what you are saying is “we should accept them”, and multiple times you have been comparing pedophilia to homosexuality. That’s harmful, because there is one big difference : one harms others, the other doesn’t.
LGBTQIA should not have to hide themselves, pedophiles should try to not be pedophiles anymore. Simple as. Pedophiles SHOULD fear social rejection, because pedophilia is harmful to society. It’s really not that hard. It doesn’t mean we should not empathize, it means we should treat them.
And I don’t see how one would even think it’s unecessary to make people undergo psychological treatment for something as harmful as pedophilia. They need help, they need at the minimum psychological support. Of course you can’t force people to go through that, but please don’t compare this to anti homosexual treatments, it is not the same.
That’s harmful, because there is one big difference : one harms others, the other doesn’t.
Pedophiles SHOULD fear social rejection, because pedophilia is harmful to society
This is the core of our disagreement. Pedophilia itself does not harm anyone but the one having to deal with it. Representing pedophiles as a threat to society judges many for the actions of a few. The individuals did not do anything wrong, and they do not deserve rejection for what they are.
pedophiles should try to not be pedophiles anymore
This sentiment is, and I am sorry that you don’t like the comparison, the same that people had towards homosexuals for a long time. I am not saying that homosecuality and pedophilia are the same. I am saying the people in both groups face very similar challenges. As far as I know “just not being a pedophile” is not possible for an actual pedophile. The only result you’ll get with that is that people hide in a closet, without getting the help that they could use.
And I don’t see how one would even think it’s unecessary to make people undergo psychological treatment for something as harmful as pedophilia.
The simple fact that I don’t know that there is a treatment that actually cures pedophilia.
They need help, they need at the minimum psychological support.
This is not the same as “make people undergo psychological treatment”.
Of course you can’t force people to go through that
Well which is it, “make people undergo psychological treatment” or " you can’t force people to go through that". You’ve got to pick a line here.
but please don’t compare this to anti homosexual treatments, it is not the same.
You’ve been pretty vague as to what you want to “make” them do or “not force” them to do or what help you want to get them. Though your sentiment towards pedophilia is similar to what spawend the hellhole of homosexual conversion therapies so please forgive my assumption that you would go into this direction as well.
