In this rambling video I go over how cloud native linux desktops like Fedora Silverblue, openSUSE MicroOS, EndlessOS, and Clear Linux.Sorry about the grainin...
There are two different immutable OS models hot on the table in the linux space I see: The Nix[1] way and the Silverblue[2] way.
Both have immutable filesystems which deviate from the FHS, provide atomic updates, and support the creation of more-or-less isolated environments at the user level. But the way the two models implement these features is very different.
The Nix way takes inspiration from the world of functional programming, while the Silverblue way takes inspiration from the containerized, cloud native technologies which are used so widely in the industry.
I believe the idea that these two approaches share is the future of linux on both the server and the desktop, and it is only a matter of time before some (if not all) of these advantages become mainstream. However, I am uncertain of which approach is superior.
I have personal experience with Guix and enjoyed it greatly and even recommend others try it or Nix out for themselves, but there are some complexity issues. It is not clear to me whether these issues are growing pains, or symptoms of a fundamentally overcomplicated system to solve a seemingly simpler problem.
The Silverblue way I have no experience with, but seems like a more grounded approach to tackling the specific problems laid out. The big area where Silverblue seems to lack in comparison to Nix/Guix is declarative, reproducible system configuration. With Nix/Guix you can just throw your system config file up in a repo, and anybody else can pull it down and install that system bit-for-bit, including future you! With home manager this extends to a large extent to user configuration as well. Of course with Silverblue you can create images, but that is less straightforward and powerful (at least for now).
What are ya’ll’s thoughts on immutable OS’s?
The only other example I am aware of is Guix, which imo is the superior implementation, but it is newer and less popular. ↩︎
Others include openSUSE’s MircoOS/Aeon and Vanilla OS. ↩︎
As a causal user, they sound awesome. I want a stable system and, if possible, never touch the Terminal to fix some stuff + I’m okay with Flatpaks, since I have more than enough disk space for them. The only slight annoyance would be theming in my case, but that’s a minor problem that is probably easy to fix.
I’m actually very interested in Vanilla OS, since it is a community-driven Distro. I will probably switch fully when they bring out the KDE version.
There are two different immutable OS models hot on the table in the linux space I see: The Nix[1] way and the Silverblue[2] way.
Both have immutable filesystems which deviate from the FHS, provide atomic updates, and support the creation of more-or-less isolated environments at the user level. But the way the two models implement these features is very different.
The Nix way takes inspiration from the world of functional programming, while the Silverblue way takes inspiration from the containerized, cloud native technologies which are used so widely in the industry.
I believe the idea that these two approaches share is the future of linux on both the server and the desktop, and it is only a matter of time before some (if not all) of these advantages become mainstream. However, I am uncertain of which approach is superior.
I have personal experience with Guix and enjoyed it greatly and even recommend others try it or Nix out for themselves, but there are some complexity issues. It is not clear to me whether these issues are growing pains, or symptoms of a fundamentally overcomplicated system to solve a seemingly simpler problem.
The Silverblue way I have no experience with, but seems like a more grounded approach to tackling the specific problems laid out. The big area where Silverblue seems to lack in comparison to Nix/Guix is declarative, reproducible system configuration. With Nix/Guix you can just throw your system config file up in a repo, and anybody else can pull it down and install that system bit-for-bit, including future you! With home manager this extends to a large extent to user configuration as well. Of course with Silverblue you can create images, but that is less straightforward and powerful (at least for now).
What are ya’ll’s thoughts on immutable OS’s?
The only other example I am aware of is Guix, which imo is the superior implementation, but it is newer and less popular. ↩︎
Others include openSUSE’s MircoOS/Aeon and Vanilla OS. ↩︎
As a causal user, they sound awesome. I want a stable system and, if possible, never touch the Terminal to fix some stuff + I’m okay with Flatpaks, since I have more than enough disk space for them. The only slight annoyance would be theming in my case, but that’s a minor problem that is probably easy to fix.
I’m actually very interested in Vanilla OS, since it is a community-driven Distro. I will probably switch fully when they bring out the KDE version.