The shrink is a she, the whore uses both he and she pronouns in the song. The pronouns are even bolded in the lyrics sheet and quite noticable in the song.
Singer is bisexual and while he was supportive of generally challenging gender norms, sometimes his trans comments were what would be considered transphobic nowadays. See:
As a kid who had no understanding or awareness of anything that challenged gender norms, I was confused about the mixed pronouns. Then I forgot about that song. Some twenty years later, this mystery was addressed. Thank you for the information.
Interesting, I never pictured the character in Android as a trans person, honestly what I had in mind was more of a mentally unwell, possibly unhoused, person that perhaps had no other choice but to wear woman’s shies. Given, all of that in today’s lens is very problematic, but the song is 33 years old after all and I didn’t really have an understanding of trans people when I first heard it more than 20 years ago. Though I did pretty clearly understand the meaning of the line in basketcase.
Idk, maybe it’s because I grew up with them and Billie Joe was a queer idol for me growing up, but king for a day never struck me as demeaning towards people who cross dress or people who are trans either. Just a (probably autobiographical) song about breaking gender norms.
I am almost as old as Android and probably my views are getting outdated so feel free to ignore my ramblings. Just interesting to see how the world has changed even from when I was little confused kid. (Now I’m a big confused kid)
Yeah, I read that as the homeless person is wearing woman’s shoes and is crazy, not that he’s being judged as crazy for wearing woman’s shoes. Nothing in android’s lyrics struck me as transphobic.
In king for a day I see homophobia in general represented by the dad character and the implication that the “guys” will do something bad - but that’s the point, isn’t it? To condemn the homophobia?
Idk, I think that when it comes to interpretation there is no winning when up against someone with an agenda. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t really have an agenda, as I’m neither trans, queer, or particularly in contact with the community except by Lemmy. I just think the core ideas are kind of old tropes about trans sex workers and crazy homeless men in drag who can’t fit into society (the idea being if you’re not an android you might be doomed).
You can say that I’m unfairly making trans people to be over sensitive if you want.
It could also be that the prostitute is male and telling the singer to quit whining because their life is so boring that it’s probably even bringing down their therapist.
Yeah some people think it’s an unmentioned girlfriend too, but it doesn’t really fit the lyric structure. It’s jarring enough that it has to be telling you some sort of taboo subtext.
The shrink is a she, the whore uses both he and she pronouns in the song. The pronouns are even bolded in the lyrics sheet and quite noticable in the song.
Singer is bisexual and while he was supportive of generally challenging gender norms, sometimes his trans comments were what would be considered transphobic nowadays. See:
https://genius.com/Green-day-android-lyrics
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh0Mozl_ZTo
And
https://genius.com/Green-day-king-for-a-day-lyrics
As a kid who had no understanding or awareness of anything that challenged gender norms, I was confused about the mixed pronouns. Then I forgot about that song. Some twenty years later, this mystery was addressed. Thank you for the information.
Yeah I was in elementary school when dookie came out so I can’t say I was particularly enlightened either, but it stuck with me.
Interesting, I never pictured the character in Android as a trans person, honestly what I had in mind was more of a mentally unwell, possibly unhoused, person that perhaps had no other choice but to wear woman’s shies. Given, all of that in today’s lens is very problematic, but the song is 33 years old after all and I didn’t really have an understanding of trans people when I first heard it more than 20 years ago. Though I did pretty clearly understand the meaning of the line in basketcase.
Idk, maybe it’s because I grew up with them and Billie Joe was a queer idol for me growing up, but king for a day never struck me as demeaning towards people who cross dress or people who are trans either. Just a (probably autobiographical) song about breaking gender norms.
I am almost as old as Android and probably my views are getting outdated so feel free to ignore my ramblings. Just interesting to see how the world has changed even from when I was little confused kid. (Now I’m a big confused kid)
I honestly think it’s inclusive language for the time. I just don’t think you’d let far with using it nowadays.
Yeah, I read that as the homeless person is wearing woman’s shoes and is crazy, not that he’s being judged as crazy for wearing woman’s shoes. Nothing in android’s lyrics struck me as transphobic.
In king for a day I see homophobia in general represented by the dad character and the implication that the “guys” will do something bad - but that’s the point, isn’t it? To condemn the homophobia?
Idk, I think that when it comes to interpretation there is no winning when up against someone with an agenda. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t really have an agenda, as I’m neither trans, queer, or particularly in contact with the community except by Lemmy. I just think the core ideas are kind of old tropes about trans sex workers and crazy homeless men in drag who can’t fit into society (the idea being if you’re not an android you might be doomed).
You can say that I’m unfairly making trans people to be over sensitive if you want.
I wasn’t saying you had any particular agenda, I was speaking generally.
It could also be that the prostitute is male and telling the singer to quit whining because their life is so boring that it’s probably even bringing down their therapist.
Yeah some people think it’s an unmentioned girlfriend too, but it doesn’t really fit the lyric structure. It’s jarring enough that it has to be telling you some sort of taboo subtext.
I always thought the sung lyrics were “I went to a whore who said my life’s a bore”