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  • She did lose because she moved a little bit left and the voters did not show up.

    We’re saying you don’t understand cause and effect.

    You are saying A (moving left) caused B (losing).

    If A didn’t happen, then B also would not have happened. Therefore, “if she had stayed to the right, she would have won.”

    Edit: I think I figured out what I’ve got wrong. If I rephrase what you said, then it makes more sense:

    “She did lose because the voters did not show up, even though she moved a little left.”



  • I still think this has been a useful conversion, because it has helped me understand what you actually meant to say.

    What I think you’re trying to say is that moving left failed to prevent voters from protesting, which I’m completely in agreement here.

    If courting left wing voters fails to get them out to vote, then politicians are just going to pander to center/right voters.

    Your phrasing was just really weird, because you keep arguing that moving left is what triggered the voters to protest, but they would have protested either way.





  • But you did say she moved “too far” left - if it was her itsy bitsy move left that caused non-voter protests, that is literally by definition “too far.”

    But you’re misidentifying the cause here, while somehow still ending up at the right conclusion.

    She very well may have lost because of non-voter protestors, but it was because she wasn’t far enough left. And if Hillary had actually moved further left to win those protestors’ votes, she would have lost the center vote. And Biden may very well lose for the same reason, so the lesson should be if you don’t want Trump to win, then don’t protest vote simply because Biden isn’t far enough left.