Zos_Kia

In French we use the term “diagonale du vide” (the empty diagonal)

I’m curious to know by which metric France has “become a shithole”, and how that is related to immigration ?

Oh i didn’t mean to correct your experience but rather the political take you extracted from it. Your personal experience in grade school doesn’t represent a systemic problem. The population we’re talking about here (north african young immigrants fresh off the boat who need remedial linguistic classes) is, what, a few thousand people a year ? You don’t close a country’s borders just because you can’t handle a few thousand unruly adolescents.

My other point is that, while religious conservatism is a real danger to modern society, it is not driven by immigrants who have few resources and are primarily motivated by their own survival. It is driven by well established people who already have the French nationality and are comfortable enough to afford being “rebels” to the system. It’s also not specific to islam - have you seen what Christians are up to these days ? Have you seen what Jews are up to ? Current news seem to indicate that the Abrahamic-minded are not taking kindly to the 3rd Millenium.

Also as a side note. 1 in 3 is not good enough. Most people are risk adverse, give them 33% odds of something positive and they’ll tell you to shove it.

That wasn’t my point. My point is that the majority of immigrants come for study or work and they integrate with no issues.

The people the RN accuses of not integrating are French people with French passports and it is their fucking god-given right to not “integrate” with the culture around them. I was a nerdy vegan kid in a village of rugby players, hunters and delicatessen producers. I never fit in with that peasant culture - should my nationality be put into question ? No ? Then why is the standard different when it’s a kid from arab descent ?

They are French citizens they don’t owe any allegiance to any ideology or way of life and that’s one of the pillars upon which this country was built. They wake up and go to work like me, they pay taxes like me, when they’re caught speeding they get a ticket like me. They bring their kids to the same school where i bring mine. They complain about trains being late and the administration being incompetent. Let’s leave them the fuck alone alright ? We’re living together just fine.

holy shit you’re right i don’t know where i got the idea that it was the same format

Feels like i need to clarify a few things here.

• the anti-american sentiment is not an arab thing. It’s as French as frogs legs (doesn’t make it ok).
• the arabs who bullied you in grade school are not immigrants. Their grandparents immigrated in the 60s, but those kids were born in a French hospital with a French passport. Same goes with black people 99% of them were born in France or in one of our overseas colonies.
• the people who are mysoginistic and homophobic are generally not the immigrants. Again, it’s a marked thing mostly with 2nd/3rd gen. It’s a thing in all religions worldwide, they are all veering towards hardcore conservatism especially among young people. I am not qualified to explain why that is but it’s shit.

So essentially, i fail to see the point in “locking that shit down”. You close the border tomorrow you don’t solve any of the issues that are bothering racist people today. They will still have a radical mosque in their neighborhood and Mohammed will continue bullying the little american kid at school (doesn’t make it ok).

You want some real talk about immigration ? 1 immigrant out of 3 is European. 1 out of 3 has a university diploma. In fact, migrants on average are slightly more educated, and have slightly higher income than native French. You close the border tomorrow that’s who you are barring from the country. As usual with fascist policies - it’s all damned lies.

Bold move to say “I’m starting to think” then parrot the most repeated comment on the subject

To clarify : We’re talking about differences in the codebase here. They are still exactly the same game, with some very minor disparities in certain mechanics.

The technical differences tend to disappear over time because they rely more and more on the datapack format, which is shared between the two codebases.

That’s because arch is very old and back in the days it was prone to breakage. Ironically, it is now much more stable and easy to maintain than an Ubuntu derivative but people will still recommend Mint to beginners for some reason.

No it’s actually very simple stuff. Arch is surprisingly stable and easy to manage, and had been for the better part of a decade

This exact joke is used in a Community episode, but I never saw it attributed to a professor

Them dusters always complaining about something smh