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  • Mikrochiptoich_ielich_iel
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    Naja, die Partei wird halt seit mindestens 20 Jahren von Nutznießern an der Spitze missbraucht.

    Einerseits nachvollziehbar, andererseits: Auch die Basis trägt die Verantwortung für die Partei. Wenn die blöd genug sind, dauernd Leute wie Gabriel, Scholz & Co an die Spitze zu wählen, hält sich mein Mitleid in Grenzen.

    Und selbst wenn man sagt, dass es keine anderen Kandidaten gibt, sage ich immer noch: selbst schuld. Auch Leute innerhalb der Basis können sich organisieren & versuchen, andere Kandidaten aufzubauen. Stattdessen haben wir einen SPD-Kanzler, bei dem es anscheinend völlig OK ist, dass er sich „nicht erinnert“ und der Chefermittler aus seiner Partei Houdini mit Beweismitteln spielt. Von allen anderen Problemen ganz zu schweigen…

    Naja, wenn all das über Jahrzehnte hinweg passiert und keine Änderung gelingt, bleiben noch Austritt bzw. Abspaltung. Insbesondere von Letzterem bin ich zwar i.A. nicht der größte Fan, aber in diesem Fall wäre das absolut gerechtfertig. Im Status Quo ist die SPD derart ineffektiv und kontraproduktiv, dass dadurch nicht mehr viel kaputt gehen könnte (klar, etwas besser als die Union ist sie, aber das ist nicht schwer).

    So hingegen wirken die Sozen auf mich wie ein klassischer Fall von „we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!“


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    Moment, was? Die Basis glaubt ernsthaft noch an irgendetwas? Warum sind die dann noch in der SPD? Ist es Realitätsverweigerung? Grenzenlose Naivität? Dummheit? Ich mein, ein Rückgrat haben offenbar kaum SPDler, sonst sähe die Partei deutlich anders aus, aber das reicht nicht aus, um dieses so konsequente Totalversagen zu erklären.

    Da denkt man, nichts könne einen mehr umhauen und dann liest man sowas…


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    Wenn die Spitze seit Ewigkeiten von Enttäuschungen durchsetzt ist oder gar überwiegend daraus besteht, bezweifle ich stark, dass die Basis auch nur einen Deut besser ist.






  • Really? Do you have some examples?

    Because otoh, when I think of highly rated anime, there’s barely anything like this that comes to mind. I’m thinking of stuff like Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter x Hunter, Frieren and Spy Family, for example. Neon Genesis Evangelion is a better fit, admittedly.

    Shows like One Piece, JJK and whatnot may be different, but personally, I don’t think too highly of them, anyway.




  • I repeated myself because I thought you overlooked some of my arguments or that I didn’t express myself clearly. But no, you simply chose to ignore half my arguments three times in a row. Nice!

    Do you have something to counter my points on EEA vs EU membership, or is “You keep saying this…” all you could come up with?

    … yet multiple EU politicians keep expressing a desire for the UK to be in the union.

    If that’s a sound argument, then surely Brexit was a splendid idea, too – after all, multiple politicians expressed a desire for it!


  • Oops, I missed a few words in my last paragraph. My bad.

    I agree that the larger market and membership fees would be beneficial to the EU (though it doesn’t need it even half as much as the UK needs access to the market).

    Both of these things, however, would also be achieved if the UK only joined the EEA instead of the EU itself (=what i was trying to say in my last comment). Like Norway or Iceland, the UK would retain (more?) control over some areas, including farming and fishing, but would have no say on EU internals.

    And since the internal affairs are complicated enough without the UK, I don’t see how minor benefits could outweigh its general stance towards Europe and further integration (which, imho, is needed direlly)

    To be honest, I even have doubts about the UKs soft power post Brexit; in my perception, it has decreased drastically since the referendum.

    Edit: I am in complete agreement on your points about benefits for the UK. Heck, from the UK’s perspective, full membership would probably be best. I just don’t think it would be in the best interest of the union.


  • Tbf, I couldn’t find a source for the UK’s voting behavior (and I was being a bit hyperbole). And it’s true tht we haven’t really seen any reforms since then. The EU has many different countries that want different things at times and some (including mine) are incredibly apathetic.

    But that is actually the reason why I do not want the UK to rejoin. Structural reforms are incredibly slow and hard as is. Let’s take a common European army for example; afaik a majority would be in favor of it. A member of the European parliament that I once talked with also talked about widespread support within the official bodies of the union. And still, things are slow, though not stagnant; i.e. Germany and the Netherlands have begun integrating their armies into ond.

    And all of what has changed i this regard, happened after Brexit (or the referendum, anyway). The UK never had to block votes, because with the UK, any attempts towards a common European army would have been struck down long before anybody got to vote on it. Heck, Eurosceptics loved to use ideas like these to paint Brussels as the boogeyman.

    So I’m still not convinced that a full rejoin would offer significant advantages over a Norway type of deal for the EU.


  • I’m an American, so it’s maybe hard to put myself exactly in the same shoes, but if I were in the EU and able to act freely, I’d personally make the concession to permit the opt-outs to the UK if it permitted for Rejoin (that is, I don’t think that there is great harm, as things were working all right earlier and that any precedent concerns could be addressed arguing that this is a special case)

    The EU would be nigh insane if it were to grant the UK its previous opt-outs, in my opinon. They only got them in the first place because they acted as though were special. They never really committed to the idea of the Union and kept using their potential exit from the union as a bartering chip. But, unfortunately them, they fell flat on their faces when they actually left.

    And, honestly, things were not all right before; the UK loved to block just about anything that went beyond trade deals.

    The EU has nothing to gain if it went back to giving the UK special treatment. And not really a reason to do it, either, because the UK needs the EU much more than the other way around, as the Brexit negotiations demonstrated clearly.

    Giving them back their opt-outs would be like giving in to a child that keeps throwing tantrums when things don’t go its way. If the UK wants to come back, then the EU cannot allow anything but a regular membership – if it greenlights the UK’s application at all.


  • We do, and Ireland, Denmark and Poland have gotten opt-outs, too (link). The United Kingdom, however, was so extreme about it, that Wikipedia dedicated an entire article just to their opt-outs.

    The UK was no founding member of the EU by choice, if I remember correctly. And later on, they only joined due to the financial prospects, not the underlying idea(ls). They always acted as though they were special when they were part of the union (see aforementioned opt-outs) and completely lost it during the Brexit negotiations, when they acted as though they had some sort of leverage over the entire EU. I quite like CGP Grey’s video on the topic: youtube.com

    In my opinion, the French were right when they didn’t want the British to join the union; most of their initial reservations did come true, after all. So, if the UK rejoined the common market without joining the EU, like Norway, for example, that would be fine by me. But no more.

    As long as the British do not change their overall stance to the EU much more (and come to terms with their non-specialness), anyway.


  • Would it really be that great for the EU, though? After all, the UK was never particularly fond of the European idea generally and further integration (i.e. federalization) in particular, to put it mildly. My biggest fear is the UK might go back blocking just about anything that goes beyond simple trade deals.

    So, imho, the EU would be better off it the UK simply rejoined the common market, but not the political union. We have more than enough dissent, as is.



  • Ich kenne die genauen Ansichten des Autors nicht, aber wenn er neoliberal ist, könnte kognitive Dissonanz an der Stelle ganz gut passen.

    Ich meine, wenn man der Ansicht ist, dass Sozialleistungen, Umverteilung, etc. ungerecht sind, weil jeder Mensch jeder seines Glückes Schmied ist und die Möglichkeit hat, mit harter Arbeit (+vllt. den richtigen Ideen) reich zu werden, muss man zwangsläufig davon ausgehen, dass alle, die weniger erreicht haben und somit weiter unten in der gesellschaftlichen Hackordnung stehen, faul, unfähig, etc. sind. Minderwertige Schmarotzer halt.

    Tatsächlich sehe ich keine Möglichkeit, wie man neoliberale Ansichten haben kann, ohne jedem Menschen eine gewisse Wertigkeit zuzuweisen. Täte man das nicht, könnte man nicht an dem Kerngedanken der “individuellen Selbstverantwortung” oder wie auch immer das ein Christian Lindner nennen würde, feshalten*. Das deckt sich auch mit meinen persönlichen Erfahrungen mit Neoliberalen.

    Vor dem Hintergrund finde ich die Frage spannend, warum manche Bevölkerungsgruppen oder Länder wirtschaftlich erfolgreicher sind als andere. Hatte bisher noch nicht die Gelegenheit, sie einem Neoliberalen zu stellen, aber die Antwort würde mich interessieren :D

    *Okay, man könnte daran festhalten und einfach darauf verzichten, ein ansatzweise logisch konsistentes Weltbild zu haben. Wäre aber arg seltsam.