Lemmy world was growing at a decent pace leading up to July 1st, then had a big influx following the API deadline. However the last week in particular has seen a decline.
Engagement still appears to be the same, although a little lower than the start of the month. A few of the other instances i have been checking follow a similar pattern.
Do you think we will continue growing at a steady pace, or do we need another big trigger to get users to migrate? For Mastodon, it seems there’s a big trigger every other week to drive users away from Twitter, but with Reddit, the revolt seems to have quietened down considerably.
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I think that growth is not going to happen passively. These comercial platforms are deliberately pushed and advertised and there is always some new content whenever you open the app.
Fediverse, lemmy whatever may have the better model in theory but that is not enough to create buzz or to reach a critical mass of users.
"Hello here is the better model now come here, why aren’t you here? " is not guaranteed to work.
It will always be like that. If 100 people come here for the first time on one day its great if 10 end up staying till the end of the week and lurking and out of those 10 maybe 1 would end up staying for longer. Thats just how these things work.
Fortunately, this effect is stronger with Facebook’s Threads even though they likely paid celebrities to join. I think the anti-Zuck sentiment is going strong and Lemmy does not have major controversies around it. Also, if users pass the somewhat high barrier to join, they might be more likely to want to use the account once it’s been set up.
One thing Lemmy is missing is a way to join that doesn’t require you to understand the fediverse - currently the barrier of entry is quite high. Also, there aren’t any great user interfaces yet, which makes the platform difficult to use.
Yeah. A good app is Thunder but still lacks key functionality like
editing commentsor proper Markdown rendering.Also, if I see a link to another Lemmy instance’s post, I have no idea how to log in with an account on another Lemmy instance or another Fediverse service. Integrating OAuth-like Sign in with… functionality into ActivityPub would help a lot, especially if you get automatically logged into all instances whitelisted by your instance’s admins. However, that would require either a centralized server (which erodes Fediverse principles), cross-site cookies (which likely don’t exist for obvious tracking reasons) or a browser extension (which is browser-specific and an entry barrier for users, and could introduce security vulnerabilities).
Liftoff works better in those situations, you always have the option to “see this from that instance”, it’s very good
That‘s been my main issue with Liftoff: This content was retreived via lemmy.world. You are not logged in there. Now I found the option. Thanks!
Now I just need a way to remove lemmy.world from the app (edit: you can by long-pressing it in the Accounts menu) and rid my All feed of duplicates fetched via different instances; then it will be the perfect app.
Not sure if you’ve used it for a bit, but Thunder allows you to edit comments now
Edit: edited from Thunder
Oh! I did not realize that the swipe action changes contextually because it has the same color. Thanks!
Kinda don’t want Lemmy to be mainstream.
I agree wholeheartedly. Every time a online service becomes mainstream the capitalist enter the field and turn the service to shit. It happened to MySpace, it happened to Facebook, tumblr, Netflix and so many others. Now with the upcoming IPO of Reddit, the service needs to be ready for the milking
Actually I like having a “smaller” space. Reddit was already way too big, with an anonymous giant blob of users. I wouldn’t even have bothered writing an answer like I do now, since it would have been buried under 100s of other posts and comments within seconds. Sometimes smaller and slower are positive features, at least to me.
The only issue with the smaller space is the niche instances. One of the things I loved about reddit was finding communities for hobbies and interests. With something small you are sometimes lucky to have 20 people in an instance and then even less posting or engaging with content.
There is a sweet spot for platform size.
Too small? Only a few communities and you can’t find your hobbies.
Too big? The place is overrun by normies who treat the platform like Facebook (posting unironic old people memes) or Instagram (running scams and OnlyFans ads). It also might become too difficult to moderate or the admins could get greedy and their own and advertisers’ profits before user experience (enshittification). All of these are happening to Reddit BTW.
However, we are too far from the “too large” problems and Lemmy instances’ size is generally kept in check by popular recommendations (join-lemmy.org, awesome-lemmy-instances) favoring <1k communities. So I think pointing average Reddit users to Lemmy is more helpful than hurtful, and I designed and helped build this banner at r/place despite having otherwise left Reddit.
Anyone who would’ve left Reddit has already done so, they may be a small increase when Boost/sync becomes available but I doubt we’ll see much growth. No one has ever heard of Lemmy.
Nah, spez isn’t done with his halfwit ideas. Wait till they kill old.reddit
Don’t forget they are planning on going public and spez says they need profits. Profits generally come at the expense of pissing people off.
Wait and see.
Depending on his share of the company (which may change after going public), he might be forced to resign. However, I don’t think that would reverse the process as he apparently surrounded himself with like-minded people (similarly, Neal Mohan continued Susan Wojcicki’s work as well)and the movement towards profitability at all costs and enshtiitfication is natural course of action for the company following its bottom line.
I see two big events in the coming weeks
- release of Sync and Boost for Lemmy
- Reddit actually killing 3rd party access and old.reddit
Reddit said during the 3rd party app backlash that old.reddit is not going anywhere…
…so it’s dead in 6 months?
(They reassured the Apollo dev of cooperation in 2023-01)
I thought 3rd party access has already gone, with the exception of a few apps like narwhal.
Is old.reddit officially being killed ?
Technically, you can still create a dev app in your profile and get a free API key “for debug purposes”, and ReVanced-like patches for Android clients such as Infinity allow inserting such keys. However, there is no NSFW access and I imagine this loophole is getting closed soon.
Web scraping from old.reddit is another option used by clients such as Stealth. It is slower but maintains anonymity and NSFW access.
Reddit said during the 3rd party app backlash that old.reddit is not going anywhere…
…so it’s dead in 6 months?(They reassured the Apollo dev of cooperation in 2023-01 so I’m extrapolating their credibility)
Yes, no, kinda.
(I am basing all this on these stats: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats)
First, the most detailed statistics show “Active Users Monthly”. That means, if you have any interaction (e.g. posting a comment) you will be counted as active for a whole month.
If you have a look when the decline first started, you’ll see that it’s right around one month after the Reddit blackout.
So what happened is that tons of people came to Lemmy during the blackout, tried it out for a few minutes, maybe posted a comment, and then dropped it again. They were still counted in the statistics until the 12th of July, which is when the drop starts in the statistics, because all these “single-day-users” are dropping out.
But: the drop from the highest point to now is only ~10% of the users. Other than that the user count seems to be kinda stable.
For more up-to-date numbers look at the post/comment counts, since they are daily. Here you see a linear, maybe slightly more than that, increase, which indicates a steady amount of interaction.
Btw, the number of total users is steadily decreasing, and that’s a good thing. The reason for that is that there are lots of obscure instances with a handful of active users but 10k-90k of users who have never posted anything. These instances usually have open registration without captcha, so all these users are probably bots.
Since these instances don’t actually have real users or content, they probably were just created by someone to try something out, so they keep getting closed, and with them, the bot accounts disappear.
