In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn’t feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?
This type of subscription is actually kiiiiinda understandable because the company has to maintain servers, staff and keep the software secure because they’re handling sensitive data such as location etc.
I also remember that BMW I think? Had a heated seat subscription and that’s really not justifiable imo
Lol, I pirate public transport every day
Should we finally buy an
Who is we?
Why are you buying a car in the first place?
get as many of the negatives of car ownership away from you.
I lease my Taycan. I do not want to pay for tyres or checkups. I do not want to pay in case the engine blows (not that it can, it’s electric but you get the gist).Even electric engines can still break and have issues
Yeah but i don’t have to worry about that because anything but negligence is of no interest to me and included in the lease.
Dude you’re paying a mortgage payment to not even own a car. Pardon me if I don’t take your financial advice. Glad you’re doing well for yourself, but most people aren’t able to afford a Porsche.
It doesn’t have to be the car i drive. Cars have enormous loss of value. I’d rather have a new car every 3 of 5 Years and pay rent on it, than to have a car that i pay the same amount of money but i can trash it 10 years later or spend as much as a new car to keep it pristine.
For some, this subscription model is great. But do you agree, that is it a bad thing if they force it on us?
I don’t understand buying a car unless it is a shitbox for the track and putting a rollcage in.
I don’t understand why someone would want to rent their car. Maintenance is not that hard, and companies always make you pay way more for their subscription models. By owning the car, you can pick who does maintenance. Meaning there can be competition, so prices/quality remains good.
LMAO you want to switch your Battery yourself? And pay for it directly? And if something goes wrong pay even more? Firgure out what shop has fair prices and doesnt fuck you over?
No thanks, i’d rather have all my services included in my lease.
You wouldn’t download [the basic features of an item you already purchased.]
How is unlocking your car over the internet a basic feature?
Your oxygen subscription expires in 2 weeks. Please take note that absence of oxygen leads to hypoxia. Due to the detrimental effects of the war in Ukraine we have been forced to increase prices by 420%. Would you like to extend your subscription?
How is that related to unlocking your car from your phone?
Because the cost of the app to do that isn’t $60 a year.
No the cost of the Servers and the maintenance and the work required to have all that kept online and secure is.
Do you think admins and security guys work for free?I’ll refer you to unexpctedkeg’s comment
will refer to my already posted answer to that comment
Why do I need to unlock my car over the internet? What is the use case over a FOB?
Nice strawman.
Dont get the subscription if youre fine with a fob.How is asking you a follow-up question a strawman exactly? What do you think a strawman is?
Because the question was answered in my original question. You don’t. That’s why it’s an additional subscription feature.
My question was why the guy claimed it was a basic feature when it never was.
And then you came along and asked “well hurr durr why do i need to unlock my car from my phone”
You don’t. So you don’t need the subscription. Done.That’s why it’s an additional subscription feature.
So why is it worth a subscription? You’re defending it as something that is not a basic feature that validates the subscription, but asking what the feature actually provides is somehow a strawman?
Oh you were seriously asking? It allows me to unlock the car from my couch when my wife wants to get something out the car real quick. Or i don’t wanna carry my keys around.
I can also start the A/C 30 minutes before i leave so i dont have to freeze to death in winter.
Curfew? Do you live in a warzone?
For if you let your child take the car out.
Oh, I see, thanks for explaining. That makes a lot more sense
It’s not like older vehicles came with those features enabled by default. On my 15 year old pickup you can’t have any of that even if you paid for it. I think this is not quite the same as other brands that are locking you out of features like heated seats.
How is it different?
They programmed all the features. The technical systems are the same and all that is required for an unlock is them flipping a digital button. There is no real cost on their side to provide these features to non subscription customers too.
Creating such features isn’t free. Why should they be given away for free? I find it perfectly acceptable that I as a customer can choose not to pay for features I wouldn’t want in the first place. It’s a bit different if this was about stuff like ABS, heated seats or electric windows.
Then include it in the base price and be done with it. Why do they put it in subscription? To mask the actual price and through this pull off a massive price increase for the customer.
So force customers to pay for it even if they don’t want the feature? How is that a better option? What you’re saying is make it more expensive for everyone.
150$/year, so about 1500$ over thelifespan of a car is far beyond what it costs to implement and maintain these features. If everyone would pay it in the base price it would maybe cost 100$ in total. So already the people paying the base subscription are getting ripped off.
Why not just make every model with leather seats, headrest monitors, parking sensors, adaptive headlights, walnut interior trim, carbon fibre hood, 4x4 etc. and just make every customer pay more even though given the chance many of them wouldn’t choose any of these?
That’s just insane. There’s a ton of people like me who doesn’t want most of this junk on their vehicles and would just much rather pay 15k less for the base model without any of it. Should smartphones come with a mandatory Spotify and Netflix subscribtions aswell?
Because these cost relevant money.
Do you know why BMW proposed the subscription for the seat heating? Because it was cheaper to just build it in than to alter it repeatedely during production.
But the board computer will be the same. Communication devices will be the same. The backend servers at KIA will be the same and running services for each car anyway.
There is no relevant cost associated with it.
To find a car and control it remotely will need a server. That’s why it’s not free.
it looks like only way is to somehow imitate their API and change those links in the car. I think it would be cool to selfhost such server.
The car costs a lot of money and they already give you wareanty, free service and will in one way or another milk you for years to come. I don’t think one more connection to a server costs this much.
Especially since all the „telemetry” is uploaded for free.
It’s the cell plan not the server costs unfortunately. When they moved to app based starting from anywhere you need to start paying the cell carrier for that wireless connection.
Servers and engineers to maintain the software and infrastructure are also not free.
Sure, but not $60/year per car expensive
No, that’s still mostly the cellular connection.
Bulk cellular connection at that scale is much less than $1 per month per car.
And then you can’t use it when the temp is 0F because they decide to do some maintenance
