I find the quality and variety of discussions on the fediverse to be lower than what I had on reddit. Lemmings have strong preconceived notions and little interest in changing viewpoints from new information. I think I’ll be switching back.
Edit: you’ll find that most of the comments deny any shortcomings of the culture and go directly to invalidating my opinions via character assassination. If lemmy was a community that actually stood for the ideals which it espouses it would take constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was intended. QED.
So you’re not a lefty. Lemmy says: fuck the fuck off you fucking fuck we fucking hate you. Source: left but not left enough.
This depends heavily on the instance. I have consistently received this attitude with users of a couple of specific instances. I now just ignore or instantly block those instance users whenever I see them.
That said. You come to a platform inspired from, designed on, and developed by left progressive ideals. You complain about the left. I can picture the pikachu face you’re making right now.
I get that. It’s just amusing that people think open source means free or there is a place where you won’t be silenced for dissent. We’re human and we will self select for positive feedback. Lemmy is no less a bubble than reddit or xtwitter.
Lemmy most certainly is less of an echo-chamer. There’s often good discussions and less toxic responses and blanket downvoting (not that it doesn’t happen).
Typically, heavily downvoted users are trolls, hateful comments, or categorically false claims/propoganda (which is why conservatives don’t like it). But there is still toxic bandwagon voting that suppresses dissenting opinions.
But to claim it’s on the same level as reddit is laughable. You can claim that lemmy is a “leftist” echo-chamer, but the important distinction is that the “right” do not hold themselves or their news sources to any standard or basis is reality.
Lemmy may be more leftist, but that doesn’t mean it’s an echo-chamer in the way reddit/conservative forums/subreddits are echo-chamers. And it sure as hell doesn’t mean the news/discussion is biased/false in the way it is among conservatives.
Not to mention, there are stark differences in the way extremism manifests and the propensity for violence between the right and left.
Look, your definition of toxic troll and propaganda is going to fall into a different window because you (and I) are leftist. Failure to recognise your own bias is just frustrating. I can’t be bothered most of the time. Lemmy is a massive echo chamber for the left, just ask anyone who says Israel is allowed to exist.
I’m not discounting my bias; I’m acknowledging the bias exists, but that it’s far more aligned with reality and objectivity than the mainstream right, which complain about the leftist bias of lemmy.
And your Isreal example is totally out of touch. The vast majority of discussion on lemmy condemns both the terrorism of Hamas as well as the genocide being committed by Isreal.
The devs are communists. Theyre no better than Nazis imo.
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
Also nobody should ever own a car ever. Everything should be some form of bike. Firetrucks? Nope, Bike. The trucks that deliver groceries to the store? Bike. People who live in Northern Minnesota who live a 2 hour drive from that grocery store? I don’t care if it’s minus 8 out get those little bitch legs peddling.
And then they dont get why we should have tariffs. Tariffs means more domestic manufacturering, which means less cargo ships belching bunker fuel across the Pacific.
I dont give a shit if my puny F-150 isnt great for cities or the enviroment when we have that shit going on.
I think I’ll be switching back.
Not possible. The reddit that you’re longing for died a very long time ago. Subreddits are entrenched into their positions and will only berate you and bash you if you go against that grain.
What you’re describing here isn’t lemmy. It’s the internet in general.
Edit: Ohhhhhhhhhhh. This explains why you don’t want to be here. It’s not that this place is an echo chamber. It’s that you’re petrified of logic and fact.
Slapping the rails like this is exactly the lack of nuance that lemmy has. You’re either with us or against us. That’s not how people look at issues. What matters is how people are treated. I’m not going to vote for someone who harms people. Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario? Don’t even bother.
Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario?
You’re not being pragmatic. Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You’re taking a different option entirely. Inaction. That is why you aren’t respected for your political opinions.
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.” - John Stuart Mill (A quote butchered and falsely attributed to Edmund Burke)
Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You’re taking a different option entirely. Inaction.
I will admit I fell into this during the first election cycle in which I could vote, which was 2016. I couldn’t stomach voting for Hillary after the Debbie Wasserman Schultz/DNC corruption with Bernie.
I dispised trump, but refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. Never again… I’m not a big fan of Biden, but I voted for him and I will eagerly do so again.
I get it. I don’t think anyone expected Trump to be as truly horrific as he was. A bad president? Yes. But a nigh dictator? What a lot of us feared but never thought it’d actually happen. But at this point it literally is the option between a mediocre president who could do a lot better and the death of the republic. Glad you see that. Wish a lot of people like OP would too.
I personally didn’t think he had a chance to be elected… I thought Hillary was going to win and didn’t want to cast a vote for her because I disliked her as a candidate. But I would definitely go back vote for her if I could.
What did he do that was being a dictator? Pulling out of Syria?
My first thought reading the title was “Better check his posting history, probably alt right.”
They are certainly outnumbered on lemmy and face factual rebuttals without insulation of echo-chamers.
… e switching back
Yes. In addition, there’s a lot of hostility towards different viewpoints. Little acceptance that different takes are valid.
I’m not switching back, but I might not stay here either.
Same. Shit kinda sucks.
Lemmy just has an unusually large number of passionate young people on it. Not surprising when you consider the Fediverse as more of a rebellious option looking to upend the dominance of the giants.
Also makes it feisty though. It’s kinda on you to make it good for yourself by controlling what communities you sub to though.
If you look at the conservative community, all their posts are downvoted (at least every time I’ve peeked at it). Same with the Joe Rogan community.
They don’t have respite in their own communities on lemmy, due to users browsing all and downvoting their posts.
Maybe on specific instances that cater towards propoganda and extremism, but not on the Fediverse itself.
The thing is that the votes don’t matter on Lemmy, they are purely for organizing content in the home/all feed if you sort by Top. You shouldn’t worry about being downvoted. It doesn’t down rank you in the algorithm and restrict your ability to post like on Reddit.
Oh I never worried about being downvoted on lemmy or reddit.
I don’t think most Lemmy users would support the idea that all ideas and opinions deserve equal consideration, so, yeah, that’s going to happen.
What makes the Fediverse unique is they could actually take steps to stop that if they wanted, by defederating from the higher population Instances. Most services would not give them that option. They have equal right to be here, but that does not amount to equal right to be liked and agreed with.
That said, I do agree that the downvoting gets a little out of control on here sometimes.
Oh I 100% agree with you. I have mixed feelings about how their communities are downvoted, but I’ll admit I’m mildly amused by it.
You’re on the internet arguing politics. You’re only going to be happy in an echo chamber in your favor. Arguing about shit that you’re never going to physically do anything about makes zero sense.
The only interesting Lemmy posts are related to federal politics. The second I open reddit suddenly it’s a breath of fresh air.
Yeah, reinforcing your beliefs in an echo-chamer is comforting, isn’t it?
I disagree. I feel that on Reddit, the type of users and discussions were mostly toxic and based on popularity. Lemmy is far from perfect, and there are aspects about it that I feel certainly are lacking, but to suggest that it’s a bigger echo chamber than reddit, I find hard to believe. But, if you can provide me with some examples that highlight your point of view, I would be interested.
I love how much more international and diverse lemmy is. I’m American, but I am happier with the fact that lemmy isn’t 85%+ Americans like on reddit (not a real statistic). I enjoy seeing more content from different perspectives and nationalities.
Interesting, as an American why did you choose feddit.de?
You could try !conservative@lemm.ee
It at least pretends to be conservative
