• jaybone@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    173
    ·
    5 months ago

    How does this happen? Like people on the forum get into some argument about the turn radius of some tank and how they shouldn’t have lost a game, and then it escalates until someone posts the tank specs so they can be right on the internet?

    • mctoasterson@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      169
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      5 months ago

      Yes. This is apparently so much of a problem that US and other nations include this in security training for military personnel and contractors. They literally teach you not to get in arguments online about weapons capabilities and whatnot because they know people are dumb enough to post classified info just so they can be like “ackshually…” on an internet forum.

    • Nythos@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      96
      ·
      5 months ago

      From what I’ve seen it’s usually that Gaijin have something wrong about the vehicle and so people leak actual classified information because they want it to be corrected.

      MilSim people can be an odd bunch sometimes

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        62
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        5 months ago

        And the devs are like “Are you fucking dumb? We won’t use classified info in our game.”

        • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          37
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          5 months ago

          Well if it’s something like a turn radius, they can always claim that they just guessed right.

          • Liz@midwest.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            31
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            5 months ago

            Are they under any obligation to protect the classified information if they’re not the ones who leaked it?

            • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              58
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              5 months ago

              Knowingly owning or using classified info without proper clearance is, in fact, a crime.

              That’s a large part of what Trump’s classified document raid was for. Former presidents usually have a lot of classified stuff to turn over after leaving office. It’s standard practice, (and perfectly legal) to simply send it back (via the proper channels) as soon as you discover you have it. But if you conceal it and refuse to return it (like Trump did) then that’ll land you in some hot water.

              • Liz@midwest.social
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                18
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                5 months ago

                It’s my understanding that you’re only required to protect the information if you’ve actually agreed to do so, which is obviously a retirement for being given access. Elected officials are a weird area where they have a much easier time getting clearance, but they’ve still made agreements to protect the information.

                Trump was authorized to handle classified information in the first place, which is why his mishandling was a problem. I haven’t read the actual law, but I’m pretty sure ordinary people who happen across classified information have no duty at all in any direction. If you can show me an example of a random person getting in trouble for sharing classified information that they didn’t steal or get others to steal, well, let me know.

                • lad@programming.dev
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  So, hypothetically, you find a source who leaks data to you, then claim you were sent it anonymously, then all good, you’re not the one who leaked it and the source is unknown. I slightly doubt that it works that way, but I don’t have specific cases to prove it

                • jimbolauski@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  Publishing classified info can get you espionage charges, just ask Julian Assange.

              • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                12
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                5 months ago

                AFAIK it’s part of being given some clearance. In most Western countries it’s fine to republish already leaked material as a private citizen. How would the media do it otherwise?

              • Madison420@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                5 months ago

                No, his problem is that he was supposed to have access at some point wherein you agree to secure documents in certain ways. If you’re given it or find it you do not have that duty. Defense secrets are much more protected but still not that much of you aren’t supposed to have access.

            • YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              18
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              5 months ago

              No. You can publish it if you like. This is how journalists work. You cannot get someone to commit a crime towards getting classified documents (Assange tried to teach people to hack shit and pled guilty to this). But accepting them and publishing them is fine and good.

            • lad@programming.dev
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              5 months ago

              While they are, as stated by another commenter, I wonder if those documents count as working in intelligence and they have some External Security Colonel working on “moderation”

      • lepinkainen@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        33
        ·
        5 months ago

        Yea, I had a friend who spent his free time coding how different tarmac temperatures affect the wheels of a fighter plane in a flight sim. (DCS I think)

    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      69
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 months ago

      One time it was a Chinese player pissed that their tank ammo wasn’t as strong as it should be so they posted it for the devs to buff

    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      43
      ·
      5 months ago

      It’s sometimes this, and it’s sometimes Gaijin just claiming something is classified for whatever reason.

      Sometimes, a British tank crewman posts technical specs from their manual for the Challenger 2. Sometimes, Gaijin claims that a declassified, internationally available manual for a Cold War era plane is classified. Or the Wikipedia article on a WW2 tank.

    • Heavybell@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      5 months ago

      Yes. Supposedly it’s so bad that Raytheon includes the question “Do you or have you ever played War Thunder?” in their interviews now. Tho take that with a huge grain of salt.

    • johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      That and the game is popular among military and ex-military members.

      IIRC the reporting fudges the definition of “classified” a bit too.