• DragonConsort@pawb.social
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    4 days ago

    I can’t say I’m especially pro-military, but I think it’s worth noting that a simple budget increase like this is definitely going to be vastly more effective at strengthening our armed forces than what Rishi Sunak BASED HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN ON, which was mandatory service for young people.

    Budget for good weapons, equipment and vehicles is way more important to a modern army than just having a lot of warm bodies to throw at a target- just look at Russia’s atrocious waste of lives in Ukraine.

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    4 days ago

    Good. The UK’s military (just like seemingly everything else lol) saw a major hit under the Conservatives.

    The world is, unfortunately, becoming more hostile and Europe needs to be prepared for this.

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          4 days ago

          Ok so what hostilities have there been toward the UK, or to any NATO member - from Russia and China and these “Various other countries” that suggest we need to grow or military?

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            You’re joking, right? Russia regularly threatens to nuke the UK, has done several misinformation campaigns in our political system, and even carried out an assassination using fucking chemical weapons on British soil. Sounds pretty hostile to me.

            China has spoken at length about intending to take back Taiwan, an ally, and the west can’t let that happen, it would be disastrous. They also had a violent crackdown on Hong Kong which the UK has a unique vested interest in for obvious reasons, state-sponsored Chinese hackers have on multiple occasions targeted UK institutions, including hospitals and the Ministry of Defence.

            And yes, various other countries. What, you think nowhere is hostile? There’s active battle against Houthis who are attacking merchant and military vessels right now, for example.

            If you think countries don’t need defensive capabilities, you are wrong. You’d think that would be plainly obvious right now, considering a country in Europe is being fucking invaded right now.

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              I’m not trying to be a prick here, but I am trying to introduce the idea that you might have relied only on News, to inform yourself about these situations.

              For example, you’ve said “Russia regularly threatens to Nuke the UK” - so find a few examples and we’ll go over them together.

              What we’re looking for, are words from the Russian government, statements, press conferences and such - primary sources and not from a newspaper (unless the newspaper quotes the source.) Its a very serious issue, so it should demand a high standard of proof, but to save time, we can exclude the ones that are threats of retaliation.

              As an extension, look up Britains defence obligations towards Taiwan. You’ve said they are an “ally” to Brtiain but in fact Britain doesn’t even recognise them as an independent State .

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                Lmao you’re acting like the press in Russia is free. It isn’t. Nuke threats on state TV, large government-backed papers, government staff, and Putin-allied ex-presidents are government sanctioned.

                What obligates the UK to defend its allies? Oh I dunno, promises made, morals, and the cold-hearted pragmatist view that losing Taiwan would be a complete disaster for the UK and the world in general. Semiconductors are kind of a big deal. There’s this new invention called the microprocessor - they’re pretty neat, and used practically everywhere!

                I don’t know why I’m bothering talking to a tankie. No matter what I say you’ll never shift from your position that Russia/China good, west bad.

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              Nothing has happened in the baltics, and there is no specific threat, that can be attributed directly to Russia.

              As for Taiwan, they are not a member of NATO and we (Britain) have no defence treaty with them. Perhaps because we do not officially recognise them as a state, and follow the One China policy.

              Even if none of that were true, I am not convinced increasing the UK defence budget helps them very much.

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                4 days ago

                Are you against military spending in general or against the oppurtunity costs of military spending for something specific?

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                  I think this guy is a revisionist Tankie. Russia and China have a history of expansionism and conduct provocative military exercises near NATO and Southeast Asian country borders.

                  Best to ignore them and they can sit in the mud of downvotes for others to read and realize they are full of beans.

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                  I am responding to a comment in support of the increase (in the British defence budget) , on the grounds the “the world is more hostile and we need to be prepared”

                  No one seems to be able to stand up that claim. You helpfully offered the Baltics and Taiwan, which we’ve addressed, and so I’m hoping that someone will show us something new, that demonstrates Britain does indeed need to be prepared to defend itself from increased hostilities.

                  It is quite important, because the newly elected Chancellor our the Exchequer has every day since taking office, been doing media to tell British people, “we haven’t got any money”