• meep_launcher@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    gestures broadly at the world that has been increasingly crumbling

    You sure about that?

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      4 months ago

      I agree things are crumbling, but Trump is a symptom not the cause. Trump is not going to be the end of things, he is just a dude that likes to talk about himself and be important.

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        I would broadly agree with that, except for the documented attempts to subvert the election. I think that ones pretty uniquely bad

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          I guess it depends on what subvert the election means. From all that I have known and heard it seems to be the same legal things that all the candidates usually do. And then when I say this someone links some partisan article about how it was worse than when Deathstar destroys Alderan.

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        Took us out of the Paris Climate agreement

        Opened up the national parks for drilling

        Removed protections for more than half of our wetlands

        Withdrew legal justification for factories to limit mercury emissions

        Removed carbon caps on power plants

        One hell of a symptom

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          Thats not the stuff that is going to make the country fall apart. You should be more worried about the election in november and the results of that, and how states are going to slowly (or maybe quickly) start to defy federal rules. Or the other big thing is WW3 that could happen in the near future. Or how people cant afford things very well anymore. The things you listed are arguable good things.

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            Climate change has already created draughts and food shortages. It has already pushed animals into ecosystems where they don’t belong leading to destruction of those ecosystems. Ocean acidification has been killing fish populations.

            These have created instability in countries across the world as people grapple with worsening conditions. This has lead to conflicts that have created massive amounts of refugees, which in turn has been creating populist and authoritarian attitudes in the west as we deal with refugees knocking on our door. This has created massive rifts in our societies and ultimately is the connecting factor for the issues we face.

            As my old history professor would say about global conflicts- it’s the bottom of the 9th, the bases are loaded, and it’s always mother nature up to bat.

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              Then we shouldn’t have declared war on, and declared mother nature our enemie. We could have respected her and accepted reasonable limits, rather than growth, expansion and profit at all costs, especially to ourselves. And we can stop doing that.

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                Oh yeah, we really screwed up the season by not picking Mother Nature in round one of the draft.

                “Hi I’m Troy McClure, you may remember me from such films as 'Man vs. Wild; the Road to Victory”

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              Have you noticed that they will claim that everything that is bad is a result of climate change? How do you know they are telling you the truth?

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                  This is the equation; bad things happens with weather = climate change. Rains too much = climate change. Rains too little = climate change. I fully understand the explanation you are about to type, but you need to add a bit of skeptism to what you read.

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                    Your patience and calmness are infinite, and I wish I could follow you on this instance. I too have been conditioned toward alarmism but have been getting over it, and I see your point.

                    Like they kept telling us inflation was supply chain issues since COVID, but when you do the digging, it’s corporate price-gouging, from corporate farm to corporate processors, to corporate distributors, to the corporate chain stores. The only ones not making huge profits are independent retailers, who may or not have a higher or lower price than a corporation, on any given good on any given day (that doesn’t inherently make them good or evil). You’re making me think and the conclusions are certainly not ThE oBvIoUs ones. Thank you.