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There is some bliss in having a universal personal pronoun w/o grammatical genders whatsoever (ő) in a languange (hungarian). Often you can even omit it altogether from a sentence.
But let’s not mention the many cases…
Yes, luckily they werent successful adding gendered words to the hungarian language in the 19. century.
hän my beloved
Alright Uralic language family, you can stop bragging now.
I’m so sick of all these people with their clearly superior languages showing how stupid my one is
That’s because in their mind, 75 is bigger than 105.
The quarter pounder has more meat than the third pounder because 4>3.
„Ein Drittel? Nee, ich will mindestens ein Viertel.“
(“A third? No, I want at least a quarter”)
– allegedly Horst “Schimmi” Szymaniak (German footballer in 1950s - 60s)
It’s a universal rule that anyone who references their supposed IQ like this is at most half as smart as they think they are
i have an IQ-equivalent of like 120
guess what
i have no job, because i have autismOver the summer while waiting for my mother at one of her apts I decided to take an iq test out of curiosity, one of those free online ones that seemed legit but who knows.
I got 144 or something? I think 145 was the cut off for genius? I remember being a point below the cut off.
Anyway. The point isn’t to brag, but to say that like you, i am almost certainly autistic (but mid 30s female who wasn’t a disruptive child so I can’t be!) and I’ve only held down minimum wage or close to it jobs my whole life. Despite having an education and being “smart” my personality pisses people off. Especially in “real” jobs.
I’m also constantly called a know it all derisively but I’m sorry when I was a kid I was left alone and none of the other kids played with me so I read encyclopedias (and later Wikipedia) for fun.
it’s not our fault everyone else seems to actively enjoy being uninformed
this is why neurodivergent communities are so much nicer, you can post infodumps like these and people just… respond with their take on it…
Unfortunately I’m smart enough to know mentioning my IQ at the very least makes me come off as a pretentious prick. But I would REALLY love to just win arguments by simply having a higher IQ than sb else.
Nobody ever wins arguments, thats why ive mostly stopped having them. Sometimes, with a lot of long and patient DISCUSSIONS you can maybe bring someone around to seeing your point of view, but in an argument all sides just end up thinking the other is an asshole.
They are in the 15th percentile. So they think they are in the top 15%
As someone with a below-average IQ of 123, i can say that IQ doesnt measure how critical you are of your own beliefs
You’re they/them until you couple up, in which case you and your partner split the pronouns between them?
I lost my pronouns in the divorce 😔
I would like to subscribe to this level of rational social design
Steve Hofstetter. He’s known for owning trolls like this. And hecklers.
And does it so effortlessly too 😂
I love ur username
👈😎 Thanks! I can see you’re a very big fan.
Idk what their problem is /s
As someone speaking a native language in which I need to rephrase myself multiple times and need to work with multiple / and * before a sentence is both grammatically correct and perfectly gendered - I still take my time because inclusion is worth it - I just don’t get why anybody could ever be upset about English gender inclusive language.
An example:
Every cyclist should wear their helmet to protect their head from injury.
Jede/r Radfahrer*In sollte seinen/ihren Helm tragen, um seinen/ihren Kopf vor Verletzungen zu schützen.
We usually tend to rephrase these sentences like this:
Alle Radfahrenden sollten Helme tragen, um das Risiko für Kopfverletzungen zu minimieren.
All cyclists should wear helmets to minimise the risk of head injuries.
Fun fact about how stupid this outrage is: singular “they” has existed longer than singular “you” in the English language. If you refuse to use singular “they” but aren’t using “thou,” then you’re a hypocrite.
What was “you” prior to being singular?
It was the formal “you” that could refer to one or more people. Kind of like “Sie” in German.
It was exclusively plural. So English pronouns were I, thou, they for singular and we, you, they for plural.
You as plural blows my mind. I’ve heard y’all and yous as slang….
Which is funny because you probably use it all the time, like in the original meme with singular they. Y’all is short for “you all,” after all.
I don’t think I ever use you as a plural ever, except maybe as a generalization.
I brought up y’all and yous because those are current slang terms that are close to the plural use of you.
Yeah, its purpose is as a generalization of a group of people when referring to them in the 2nd person, but we don’t often talk to groups like that, to the point we have to specify when we are. We straight up have to add additional words to the sentence so people know we’re using it in its plural form, like saying you guys or you all (y’all).
It exists and we use it, but it’s a weird one and we never think of “you” as a plural word.
This is an awesome TIL. I’m tempted to take a stab at introducing “thou” into my daily verbiage. I am wholly aware I’d sound like a pretentious prat, but still… :-)
I do it when people complain like this about singular they. There’s a bunch of literature from the time of teachers complaining about singular you the same way these people complain about singular they. One of my favorite things to bring up and watch the smoke come out of their ears as they scramble to justify themselves.
I don’t know where you got this from or if you just invented it, but I have never heard/seen anyone mix * and /.
People interested in gender neutral language used / before the idea of more than two genders came up. Whoever wanted to specifically include non-binary people started using _ or *.
Also it makes little sense imo to include nb’s in the subject of a sentence to go back to binary scheme in the pronouns…
My highschool teacher wanted us to use * and / as given in my example. I usually rephrase myself to not having to use / that much but idk if you can just use the male or female possessive pronoun to include everyone (if you use the * at some point in the sentence to make it clear) I honestly just use the / to be super sure.
You can just replace / with *, in pronouns as well: Seine * ihre, Kolleg * innen, jede * r.
[Edit: without spaces inbetween, but otherwise things become italic in here]
This way you are the surest, since everybody is included every time.
I really have no clue where your teacher got this mixing thing from. But all this is work in progress. Societies and languages have to transform and that doesn’t need to be a linear process. Imo it’s even better if it isn’t, because exploration and multiperspectivity aren’t very linear by nature and irritation and changes make for good opportunities to think and discuss.
For example sometimes I like saying just one gender, if it makes for good, well placed irritation.
Oh thanks a lot. I learned the whole thing back in 2015 from a teacher who was close to retirement and who lived and taught the last 40 years in the last hinterland district with more deer than human inhabitants. And at university I didn’t take the course because I thought I knew it (and because it was being held on Monday morning) but I probably would have learned it there.
You’re welcome. Well kudos to them anyways I guess. Some hinterlands outeight ban gender equality language so I’ll them in as progressive :3
Yes, they’re a based Pink Floyd enjoyer. :3
Alle Radfahrys sollten Helme tragen, um ihren Kopf […]. :3
*Die Stadt sollte designierte Fahrradstraßen haben, damit Fahrradfahren auch ohne Helm hinreichend sicher ist.
Ich muss leider auf dem Land fahren wo sie einen in uneinsehbaren Kurven (oder mit 100km/h) mit 30cm Seitenabstand überholen.
Ein Grund wieso ich fast nur noch auf Wald-, Feld- und Güterwegen fahre.
They/them is grammatically correct for singular nouns, but maybe it’s best to just use neopronouns in the case of someone (like this lady who is opposed to using someone’s correct pronouns) being difficult. But I feel people who want to be difficult are going to be difficult for whatever reason, and it’s not about the pronouns or grammar at that point.
For reference https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
Edit why is my comment being read uncharitably by the downvoters? Its weird behavior, I don’t get why someone would do that lol
I think neopronouns would piss off those against the concept of non-binary or trans even more.
I like the idea of inventing new pronouns, but most of the suggestions so far (like “Xe”) are too silly to be taken seriously. “They/them” can come off as impersonal at times, but we seem to be more or less settling on that, so whatever.
I’m in the too silly to be taken seriously boat. They/them works perfectly fine.
every new word sounds silly at first, that’s why every generation makes fun of the kids’ slang. hell, remember when “yeet” was new? it sounded so silly and stupid, but it’s just another part of the lexicon now.
Yeet is still silly, and spread because it’s silly. That’s not what we want for replacement pronouns.
my point still stands, the more a word is in use the less “silly” it sounds. if you shoot everything down as sounding “too silly” then nothing will ever rise to that bar and become “acceptable” enough to use. you’re basically going “i think neopronouns are silly and we shouldn’t use them” with extra steps.
Neologims get added all the time. Being silly tends to help them spread, but it’s not a requirement.
But it shouldn’t though? In a reasonable society, using neopronouns isn’t any different than using someone’s name. Yeah, I acknowledge that society isn’t reasonable some times.
Shouldn’t means nothing. People shouldn’t own other people and yet gestures broadly at history
Calling someone what they want to be called is just being decent. Like your name is Thomas but you’d like to be called Tommy. Neopronouns aren’t names, they’re an attempt to force speech to fit the unique desires of the person demanding use of said neopronouns. Using they/them is a perfectly reasonable compromise.
edit: below comment is in response to a previous version of the above comment before they clarified it was about the lady :)
maybe it’s best to just use neopronouns in the case of someone
being difficultaskingftfy :)
I think that lady isn’t asking though? She seems argumentative to me
oh you mean use neopronouns instead of they/them specifically in order to appease jeanette in the post?
sorry, i thought you meant using neopronouns in general. you might want to consider editing your comment for fuzzy language if that’s not the case. :)
No I won’t edit further, I hate the purity test I am being put through here, so I am just going to stop responding to this thread, thanks
ugh but i see your edit now and it fixed things! genuinely i think you were being downvoted because people misread your intent but it’s better now lol? sorry you took so much offense to that i guess
Maybe that was the goal? You can’t tell with people these days. Regardless, I don’t like someone assuming stupid shit about my morals and ethics. I know what I am about, so I’ll just continue doing that.
alright ur a little grumpy today and that’s okay lol. thanks for clarifying your comment even though you said you didn’t want to
This is like the 5th funniest thing I’ve read all day. (It’s been a very good day.)
