• Prof Prachi Srivastava@masto.aiOP
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      3 days ago

      @Elias @academicchatter

      In the skewed world of academic publishing, we don’t even own the copyright to our own articles. So, if the academic publishers cared enough, they would go down that road of protecting the work. Instead, they have signed up with AI companies to let them train their LLMs on academic work for free and with no opt-out for individual researchers/authors.

      • Elias Aarnio@mementomori.social
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        3 days ago

        @prachisrivas @academicchatter

        I have the impression that copyright legislation in GB is a real mess. Nevertheless I doubt that a deal with any publisher would give _anyone_ free hands to create such snippets as they are essentially derivatives.

        I am very interested to continue discussing this because the AI fuss is a project to fill our world with meaningless shit to a very much greater extent than until now.

        Some vision, isn’t it? :D

        • Elias Aarnio@mementomori.social
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          3 days ago

          @prachisrivas @academicchatter

          I must admit that the copyright legislation of GB is totally perverted IMHO. What else can you say about a country following common law tradition and the copyright owners of legal cases are… ta-daa… barristers!

          AFAIK this is the reason why there is no public, freeof charge, searchable index of cases.

          Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

          • OCTADE@soc.octade.net
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            3 days ago

            @prachisrivas@masto.ai @academicchatter@a.gup.pe

            Same garbage in USA. A group of shell companies owned by one umbrella company controls access to legal case rulings. If you try to use Pacer at a courthouse you risk being harassed and treated like a terrorist–especially if it is a case you are working on for yourself. And let’s not even discuss transcripts. It can cost arm, leg, and firstborn to get a transcript of a case. The legal profession and the courts are a racket designed to serve the rich.

            • Elias Aarnio@mementomori.social
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              3 days ago

              @octade @prachisrivas @academicchatter

              Call me an idealist besserwisser but…

              It took me 20 years to understand that the hero lawyers of US tv series and movies who remember a huge amount of court cases is not just about remembering being fancy but it is the very nature of common law system. There is no other law in many cases.

              It was a shock for me as in German tradition that Finland has also followed, legislation is thematic and the laws are possible for a layman to understand.

              Especially in the US the principle of minimizing state of the founders has lead to a very undemocratic and dysfunctional legal structure. It is far too costly, complicated and fuzzy.

              • Alexander Röhm@social.tchncs.de
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                1 day ago

                @Elias

                @octade @prachisrivas @academicchatter

                There is a very interesting take on this by @pluralistic in his novel “the bezzle”, which illustrates the absurdity of this concept of laws. It seems nearly impossible for laypeople in the US to grasp an understanding of the laws applicable to a certain situation (and it can become quite costly to collect that intel).

                PS: In Germany it is still difficult to really understand the language of laws (and lawyers), but one can look it all up.