• huginn@feddit.it
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    The reason there isn’t a revolution in the USA is mostly down to atomization. Suburban growth directly leads to insular communities with no sense of responsibility to the rest of their brothers and sisters. Working class families in the burbs have functionally 0 ability to organize.

    To add that on, I like to underscore the gravity of the situation here with details:

    1. The top 10% of earners starts at ~170k/yr
    2. The top 1% start at ~820k/yr
    3. The top 0.1% start at ~3,300k/yr (3.3 million)
    4. If Elon Musk had 100% of his net worth in really basic bonds giving 5%/yr he’d be pulling in 22 BILLION dollars per year, forever.

    The interest on his earnings alone is equivalent to 130,000 workers at the start of the top 10%. That’s the entire workforce of American Airlines for comparison.

    If the average person was paid like the 0.1% for 1 year they could retire and live off 65k/yr forever.

    This chart is broken down by quintiles but it illustrates the disparity well imo.

    Half of the wealth of the top 20% here (excluding top 1%) is in businesses or real estate they own. Most of that will be their own house and a small business, though leeches “landlords” mostly fall in this category too.

    For the top 1% that’s more like 20% of their net worth.

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      No dude you mixed some numbers up - 5%/yr of 440 billion is 22 BILLION dollars per year.

      Unless you meant he could put 0.1% of his wealth (440 mil) to pull 22 million a year.

      In fact, he could put less than half of his total net worth, 200 bil, into a basic savings account returning 0.5% a year and live off of a billion dollars a year, which is equivalent to the median income of 16,666 others.

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        While you were writing this comment I was updating my original comment because I messed up! Correct: 22 BILLION.

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      What’s interesting is that this doesn’t even tell the whole picture.

      Because those people earning $170k/year? More than likely their net worth is negative. They owe more than they’re making, and even at that income rate and excluding long term debt, they have just enough in savings to last three months max.

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        Yeah and those are national statistics.

        You don’t hit the top 10% in New York state until you break 330k

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      Neighborhood politics, social gatherings, community hotspots has massively declined in the last two generations,

      It’s really hard to organize anything face to face?

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        It is and while I don’t think that was Eisenhower’s 5d chess play it is more or less directly from cold war era policies that encouraged Americans to live anywhere besides a city.

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          Yet if you keep the comparison until present times, you can only acknowledge the fact that the French once again rioted very violently and for months back in 2018-20. The “yellow vests” were mostly lower-income workers from far away suburbs and villages. Facebook let them organize and have a real impact on national politics and policy.

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            It was also a significant amount of right wing agitprop opposing any reduction to fossil fuel usage…

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              Yep, I wonder what would happen in the US if gas was suddenly taxed 50% up (much more than the yellow vests case, but it is a thought exercise)