• Seasm0ke@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    6 months ago

    How are you going to have two for Janeway but no mention of siskos war crimes or martial law. Smdh

  • xyguy@startrek.websiteEnglish
    1·
    6 months ago

    Hello, I would like to complain that filling out a form to complain is exactly the kind of thing that Gene Roddenberry would be against so I refuse to do it. /s

  • Olhonestjim@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 months ago

    I have a problem with the Kelvin timeline. Specifically how they depicted the Kobayashi Maru sequence. No, I don’t care if Spock programmed it. My issue is that Kirk’s behavior stank. He straight up cheated, but even worse, he was smug about it. That didn’t show leadership potential at all. That was conduct unbecoming of an officer.

    I’d always had it in my head that Kirk simply disagreed with the test philosophically. It’s a simple scene to set up. Kobayashi Maru tests officers to see how they deal with a losing path in a simulation of a deterministic universe, but especially to reveal the quality of their character. But Kirk doesn’t believe in fate. He believes in a quantum universe, where infinite possibilities spring from the vacuum every instant. In my mind, Kirk wouldn’t simply reprogram the hostile ships’ shields to drop at an exact moment, then just line up his shots. That’s still determinism! Instead he would subtly reprogram the simulation to account for random chance, and depend upon his skill to beat the odds against whatever the scenario might throw at him. Examining his changes to the code would reveal not a spoiled rotten, cheating, nepotism brat, but a confident leader with a fundamental difference in personal philosophy for approaching the Universe, and furthermore, who simultaneously argued that the Kobayashi Maru was a flawed exercise, while generously offering a patch to improve it. That’s captain material.

    That scene would have made me lose all respect for Kirk if I regarded it as canon, so I can’t. I would never follow a man like that into the unknown, no matter his supposed tactical brilliance. No disrespect to any of the actors. It’s just bad writing. Beyond that, I’ve got no problem with Kelvin beyond minor quibbles.

  • TootSweet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    6 months ago

    Klingon continuity is the only thing on here that can get me riled.

    Faith of the Heart is… whatever. What Janeway did to Tuvix, I definitely wish didn’t happen that way, but I can get over it.

    But dammit stop fucking up Klingons, please. TOS gets a pass (and Enterprise, whatever its other problems, retconned a continuity fix for that.) But every Klingon fuckup after that is inexcusable. (Some more inexcusable than others.)

    (Sorry. Sorry. I’ll go take ten deep slow breaths now.)

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      Yeah the Klingons changed over time, but once you they have a Klingon in the regular cast it’s kinda set at that point.

      Worf is THE Klingon now. All other Klingons will be compared to Worf from here on out. Sure there can still be some variance, but if they stray too far off from Worf, they’re asking people to choose which is the real Klingon: Worf or whatever they’re putting up on the screen now. The answer will always be Worf is the real Klingon, and the new version is not a real Klingon.

      It’s just how it is, and it’s really insane they tried to stray from Worf too much under the excuse that Klingons were changed previously. Yeah they were changed previous to a Klingon being a regular cast member on two popular Trek series.