• Gigan@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I’m surprised Russia voted for the ceasefire. I would expect them to appreciate the distraction.

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      11 months ago

      Dmitriy Polyanskiy, Russia’s representative, said US diplomacy was “leaving scorched earth in its wake”. He said if an immediate ceasefire was blocked by the US again, how could the country look its partners in the eye? He called on the US to “make the right choice” and support the demand for an end to violence.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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          11 months ago

          The russian hypocricsy should not distract from the truth therein. What happens now is the US foreign policy dream. Instead of having to destabilize the middle east by themselves, they just need to supply Israel with more weapons and money, so they will do it for them.

    • Muyal_Hix@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      People when they find out geopolitics is complex and there ano real bad guys like in the movies.

      • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
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        11 months ago

        Pretty sure a country that’s committing mass genocide with imperial ambitions who commits daily war crimes and meddles in other countries’ affairs to sow division and distrust is very clearly “the bad guy”. How can you claim otherwise? You can’t “both sides” the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

        • Muyal_Hix@lemmy.world
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          11 months ago

          Yeah. And who keeps giving all those weapons and money to Israel while they are carrying out a genocide?

          Let’s face it. A single country can be the bad guy in one situation and the good guy in another.

          Also, it’s always funny when the US accuses other countries of foreign interference and genocide, because they surely had no problem doing that to Latin America.

            • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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              11 months ago

              You realize that it was the Sovjets that turned WW2 around and paid most of the blood for Europe to be freed from the Nazis? About 20 Million of the victims of WW2 were Sovjets. About another 10 Million were Chinese. The western Allies had a very chill WW2 compared to what these countries and their people sacrificed against the Germans and Japanese.

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                11 months ago

                You realize that the Soviets were in Hitler’s side when shit started and wanted to annex a chunk of Poland and the east?

                You also realize that your prime example dates back 80 years?

                • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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                  11 months ago

                  The Sovjets never were on Hitlers side. Hitler was very clear from the beginning what he thinks of the communists, that he mingled into a “jewish bolshevik” world conspiracy. The Hitler Stalin pact was to buy the SU time to prepare for an attack from the Nazis.

                  Also 80 years is not a long times in historical terms, when the measure is “ever”. Incidently a lot of the turning two blind eyes unconditional support for Israel now is justified with the Holocaust that was in exactly the same period of time.

    • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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      11 months ago

      Bullshit. There was a truce and they couldn’t reach an agreement for the continuation. The first Bombs then flew from israel into Gaza. Since then more than 3.000 more Palestinians have been killed by Israel. For comparision since the October 7 attacks Hamas killed or taken hostage about 1.500 Israelis and people in Israel.

      So just after the end of the truce, Israel killed twice as many people than Hamas did in the entirety of the past two months.

  • HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Slightly off-topic, but TIL Croatia in Croatian is Hrvatska (thought it was a mistake at first and maybe HRV stood for (Bosnia and) Herzegovina)

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      11 months ago

      While I knew the name, your comment made me wonder why Croatias country code is in their language while most others aren’t. Like, hungary would be Magyarország, which is also very different from their English name.

      Also, Austrias country code is wrong in this map. It should be AUT, AUS is Australia.

  • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Abstain = We’re against a cease fire but we don’t really want to say that out loud, people might think we’re horrible…

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      11 months ago

      I was thinking more: We’re for a cease fire but we’re afraid America might be salty about it,

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        11 months ago

        It’s both at the same time. This conflict has caused populations of the yellow countries to be divided more than ever before.

        This has caused many politicians to slip up in their first reactions, in which they declared unconditional support for Israel after the attacks by Hamas.

        Even at that point more people than they anticipated took the stance that “self defence” should not automatically include fighting beyond your own borders and there was outrage. People felt their heads of state needed to represent ALL citizens, which means full support for the Israeli cause was unacceptable.

        This has put several world leaders in an awkward position where they have to carefully balance protecting human rights within Gaza and simultaneously condemning Hamas as a terrorist organization. Abstaining from voting for a ceasefire is a direct result of that. Voting either way might open up new discussion with supporters of either side.

        This is very obviously the cowardly way out and we as a people need to push for a resolution to this conflict that is morally just and protects human rights on both sides.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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          11 months ago

          While Germany abstained it was purely for economic reasons in not enraging the “global south” that sees the imperialist regime brutalizing the occupied territories, like the European countries did in so many countries before.

          In Germany now people without german citizenship are demanded to sign a paper pledging support to Israel or otherwise facing repercussions like deportation.

  • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    So Israel should stop fighting Hamas who openly call for a Jewish genocide and just let them keep trying?

    It’s kinda funny imagining the green countries getting rockets fired at them and groups come in to murder and kidnap innocent civilians then they just shrug and say ‘we aren’t going to fight back because it might look bad’

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        11 months ago

        Well a considerable amount of those were literally Hamas fighters, they don’t wait until you’re eighteen to sign you up for jihad lol

        And yes it’s sad that innocent people are always the victim of war, there’s a lot of possible solutions which Hamas and the Palestinians reject so what’s left? Israel just has to sit back and let them keep firing rockets and killing them because they built their tunnels under hospitals?

        Incidentally the kids in the hospitals we heard so much about got taken to Israeli hospitals where they got world-class medical care, if Hamas hadn’t contested the hospital and agreed to safe transit of wounded then this could have happened sooner. It often feels like Hamas want Palestinian kids to die and the IDF want to keep them alive.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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          11 months ago

          Hamas had 20-25k members before the current war. Israel has dropped more bombs on Gaza than there is Hamas fighters since then.

          So either Israel is lying about its alelged “precision strikes”, or they are precise and deliberate in killing innocent children, women and men, while destroying every civillian infrastructure to kill and drive out all Palestinians from Gaza. Sinc eunfortunately they are militarily capeable it is clear, that the goal is to inflict maximal damage on the Palestinians, with giving just enough plausible deniability to its genocidal friends in the US and its Allies.

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            11 months ago

            And why do IDF soldiers keep dying and bombs magically fly out of Gaza towards Israel if Hamas don’t pose any threat?

            Sorry that not every munition guarantees an enemy killed, unfortunately fighting terrorists isn’t easy but you’re welcome to go to gaza and deal with Hamas yourself…

            • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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              11 months ago

              I never said Hamas would not pose a threat. But it is evident that Israel does not aim solely on Hamas. They aim on all Palestinians in Gaza and also the Westbank, where IDF is aiding terrorist settlers to murder and displace Palestinians from their homes. The IDF itself said the focus is on damage not precision, and many other statements where they openly admitted to aiming to kill the Palestinian civillians.

  • Nobody@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I don’t doubt for a second that Biden isn’t trying to get a second ceasefire going, but at the same time, this vote is hypocritical. There’s no denying that.

    • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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      11 months ago

      I don’t believe that the US is interested in a ceasefire aside from appearance necessary to keep the muslim world and the muslims in the US and Europe from revolting against the injustice.

      The US always worked to destabilize the Middle East and with Israel being armed to its teeth and countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt happy to sell out, this is perfect to sow division, despair and violence.