Life dissatisfaction increases support for right-wing populist parties by fostering political distrust and anti-immigration sentiment, according to a study analyzing survey data from 14 European countries.
The rise of right-wing in Europe can be directly attributed to the massive influx of right-wing conservative ideologues from the middle East pouring in.
I’m a huge proponent of immigration, but what we’re seeing here is the backlash of immigration done incredibly poorly.
There will be articles for years that tap dance around with us, but if you listen to the people who are voting for right-wing assholes, it’s pretty clear why they’re doing it and what they’re saying. The Press has been bullied into avoiding talking about it though under the guise of islamophobia.
The rise of right-wing in Europe can be directly attributed to the massive influx of right-wing conservative ideologues from the middle East pouring in.
You might want to think on this some more, because this seems like a bad take to say the least. The people coming from the Middle East to the EU are very diverse. In fact, it’s a big pull that there’s a lot more freedom here than in their home countries. Including the freedom to e.g. be openly gay.
Our societies have (largely informally) been segregating immigrants from the native-born citizens. We also didn’t prioritize education about e.g. Islam. This void has been abused by organizations sponsored by autocratic nations to infiltrate or societies. That’s one part of the issue.
Another is that xenophobia is privileged in all of our brains. And a third is that over the past few decades, our societies were reshuffled to make outcomes worse for poor people.
I completely disagree is a bad take. I think you’re overlooking the reality that a right leaning Neo-Nazi has a lot in common with a conservative islamist.
You see it very clearly in Canada with the push to keep sex education out of classrooms being led by the far right PPC party and huge swaths of recently immigrated people from the middle East and Indian subcontinent. They use different methods but they have the same goals ultimately.
I honestly think that no matter what we’re doing the right would have a problem with migration because they want to go back to a white supremacist kind of society. We’re hearing the same shit how about Syrians and Ukrainians now that we heard in the 90s about Russian and Yugoslavian people, in the 60s/70s about Italian, Spanish, Polish, Turkish people and in the 40s/50s about German refugees.
I’d disagree with that. For 50 years Canada did pretty well letting in controlled numbers of people from around the world. Then they opened the flood gates and problems started.
I’m not sure it’s about being black and white, i feel like it’s more about people feeling the need to integrate which doesn’t happen when you arrive with 100,000 of your countrymates.
What do you mean with them „opening the flood gates“? I would be interested to see some data on that. AFAIK Canada has one of the strictest migration politics in the world.
In Germany we now have people whose grandparents have migrated to Germany, but they’re still not considered „true“ Germans just because of their names, looks and religion. Even though in the Americas they have their own racist things going on, the normal thing is that if you’re a citizen, people won’t doubt that you’re American.
The same isn’t true in European countries and as I said it didn’t actually matter where people were from, German society was incredibly hostile towards German refugees after the 2nd world war, where there was little need to integrate or learn the language, yet the rhetoric was surprisingly similar to that about e.g. Syrians today.
Canada used to have a strict policy and on some levels still do outside of the programs being instituted to supplement the workforce and to bring refugees in from complex zones, we’ve allowed in over double the previous amount for the past couple of years, under various refugee programs. Going a bit farther back there was a large influx of Syrians (and tasty shwarma!). The canada.ca website details the rapid increase in numbers quite well.
I would never say that these people move to Canada are not true Canadians because at one point my family got here on a boat and my wife’s family escaped an islamist regime to come here too. We’re both quite Canadian in culture and jean jackets.
From what I see, many of these problems derive from cultural conflicts that were previously not apparent because while many people knew to a country tend to stick together when they are a true minority, they tend to work to fit in. When you have large waves of people coming at once, there’s no impetus for them to fit in because they can stay within their own cultural confines… As sad as it is to say, some of those cultural confines are very much at odds with the greater Canadian culture.
I find it incredibly lazy to make such a big statement and then not back it up with data, not even on request. But I checked myself and what I found does not back your statement at all. Maybe I’m looking at different numbers than you did and in that case I’d like to see yours but from what I see they let in roughly the same number of people for decades.
Regarding the cultural compatibility, again, they were saying the same thing about German refugees within Germany and they’re saying that right now in Poland about Ukrainians, and in Turkey about Syrians, hell even in Lebanon and Jordan about Syrians. So to get back about your initial point, I don’t think it has anything to do with middle eastern culture, it has to do with people being xenophobic in general and the media and politicians fueling that for their own benefit.
You’re lazily conflating immigration and refugee data. It’s a combination of both the Canada is struggling with. Right now. There’s no shortage of analysis or study showing that far too many people are coming to Canada than our system can handle. Even the federal government who is the one who set these policies have started walking them back.
As someone who hails from a middle Eastern culture and is married to an Iranian refugee, I can say with certainty that the influx of people coming from the places that my wife and I escaped are absolutely causing societal problems for us here in Canada. I’m far from a pull. The ladder up behind me. Kind of guy but I’m also a citizen of this country which is being quite clearly impacted by the oversaturation of new people coming from very small pockets of this planet into Canada. This isn’t being driven by politicians. Both the conservative and the liberal sides of politics in this country are very much pro-immigration due to our inability to maintain our population rates and tax base without it. The people of Canada on the other hand are starting to show more and more discontent with this approach.
Thanks for the source. I see what you mean but even at 400k migrants vs 200k we’re talking like an increase from 0.5% to 1% of the total population. In Germany we took something like 3% in 2015 and honestly it was often a chaos but we absolutely managed. There was mostly the problem that everyone wanted to go to the big cities because of racism in the countryside and terrible infrastructure if you didn’t have a car.
Well regarding the rest what can I say, I wish you all the best, but if you think you or your wife will be left alone because you’re the good kind of migrant vs all the others who are from „backwards Islamic cultures“, that’s not how right wing populism works. If it hits them, you’re gonna be next sooner or later. People have tried riding the wave before, there were even Jews fighting for the Wehrmacht in WW2 until they ended up in the camps. Hope you don’t mind the analogy but I hope you get my point.
As someone who’s here because his family had to flee the situation you describe in your last paragraph to the middle East and then to Canada. I’m not ignorant enough to forget the poem ’ first they came for’
That’s outside of the reality being faced by Canadians today and they’re rightful anger towards the situation.
The rise of right-wing in Europe can be directly attributed to the massive influx of right-wing conservative ideologues from the middle East pouring in.
I’m a huge proponent of immigration, but what we’re seeing here is the backlash of immigration done incredibly poorly.
There will be articles for years that tap dance around with us, but if you listen to the people who are voting for right-wing assholes, it’s pretty clear why they’re doing it and what they’re saying. The Press has been bullied into avoiding talking about it though under the guise of islamophobia.
You might want to think on this some more, because this seems like a bad take to say the least. The people coming from the Middle East to the EU are very diverse. In fact, it’s a big pull that there’s a lot more freedom here than in their home countries. Including the freedom to e.g. be openly gay.
Our societies have (largely informally) been segregating immigrants from the native-born citizens. We also didn’t prioritize education about e.g. Islam. This void has been abused by organizations sponsored by autocratic nations to infiltrate or societies. That’s one part of the issue.
Another is that xenophobia is privileged in all of our brains. And a third is that over the past few decades, our societies were reshuffled to make outcomes worse for poor people.
I completely disagree is a bad take. I think you’re overlooking the reality that a right leaning Neo-Nazi has a lot in common with a conservative islamist.
You see it very clearly in Canada with the push to keep sex education out of classrooms being led by the far right PPC party and huge swaths of recently immigrated people from the middle East and Indian subcontinent. They use different methods but they have the same goals ultimately.
I honestly think that no matter what we’re doing the right would have a problem with migration because they want to go back to a white supremacist kind of society. We’re hearing the same shit how about Syrians and Ukrainians now that we heard in the 90s about Russian and Yugoslavian people, in the 60s/70s about Italian, Spanish, Polish, Turkish people and in the 40s/50s about German refugees.
I’d disagree with that. For 50 years Canada did pretty well letting in controlled numbers of people from around the world. Then they opened the flood gates and problems started.
I’m not sure it’s about being black and white, i feel like it’s more about people feeling the need to integrate which doesn’t happen when you arrive with 100,000 of your countrymates.
What do you mean with them „opening the flood gates“? I would be interested to see some data on that. AFAIK Canada has one of the strictest migration politics in the world.
In Germany we now have people whose grandparents have migrated to Germany, but they’re still not considered „true“ Germans just because of their names, looks and religion. Even though in the Americas they have their own racist things going on, the normal thing is that if you’re a citizen, people won’t doubt that you’re American.
The same isn’t true in European countries and as I said it didn’t actually matter where people were from, German society was incredibly hostile towards German refugees after the 2nd world war, where there was little need to integrate or learn the language, yet the rhetoric was surprisingly similar to that about e.g. Syrians today.
Canada used to have a strict policy and on some levels still do outside of the programs being instituted to supplement the workforce and to bring refugees in from complex zones, we’ve allowed in over double the previous amount for the past couple of years, under various refugee programs. Going a bit farther back there was a large influx of Syrians (and tasty shwarma!). The canada.ca website details the rapid increase in numbers quite well.
I would never say that these people move to Canada are not true Canadians because at one point my family got here on a boat and my wife’s family escaped an islamist regime to come here too. We’re both quite Canadian in culture and jean jackets.
From what I see, many of these problems derive from cultural conflicts that were previously not apparent because while many people knew to a country tend to stick together when they are a true minority, they tend to work to fit in. When you have large waves of people coming at once, there’s no impetus for them to fit in because they can stay within their own cultural confines… As sad as it is to say, some of those cultural confines are very much at odds with the greater Canadian culture.
I find it incredibly lazy to make such a big statement and then not back it up with data, not even on request. But I checked myself and what I found does not back your statement at all. Maybe I’m looking at different numbers than you did and in that case I’d like to see yours but from what I see they let in roughly the same number of people for decades.
Regarding the cultural compatibility, again, they were saying the same thing about German refugees within Germany and they’re saying that right now in Poland about Ukrainians, and in Turkey about Syrians, hell even in Lebanon and Jordan about Syrians. So to get back about your initial point, I don’t think it has anything to do with middle eastern culture, it has to do with people being xenophobic in general and the media and politicians fueling that for their own benefit.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/443063/number-of-immigrants-in-canada/
You’re lazily conflating immigration and refugee data. It’s a combination of both the Canada is struggling with. Right now. There’s no shortage of analysis or study showing that far too many people are coming to Canada than our system can handle. Even the federal government who is the one who set these policies have started walking them back.
As someone who hails from a middle Eastern culture and is married to an Iranian refugee, I can say with certainty that the influx of people coming from the places that my wife and I escaped are absolutely causing societal problems for us here in Canada. I’m far from a pull. The ladder up behind me. Kind of guy but I’m also a citizen of this country which is being quite clearly impacted by the oversaturation of new people coming from very small pockets of this planet into Canada. This isn’t being driven by politicians. Both the conservative and the liberal sides of politics in this country are very much pro-immigration due to our inability to maintain our population rates and tax base without it. The people of Canada on the other hand are starting to show more and more discontent with this approach.
Thanks for the source. I see what you mean but even at 400k migrants vs 200k we’re talking like an increase from 0.5% to 1% of the total population. In Germany we took something like 3% in 2015 and honestly it was often a chaos but we absolutely managed. There was mostly the problem that everyone wanted to go to the big cities because of racism in the countryside and terrible infrastructure if you didn’t have a car.
Well regarding the rest what can I say, I wish you all the best, but if you think you or your wife will be left alone because you’re the good kind of migrant vs all the others who are from „backwards Islamic cultures“, that’s not how right wing populism works. If it hits them, you’re gonna be next sooner or later. People have tried riding the wave before, there were even Jews fighting for the Wehrmacht in WW2 until they ended up in the camps. Hope you don’t mind the analogy but I hope you get my point.
As someone who’s here because his family had to flee the situation you describe in your last paragraph to the middle East and then to Canada. I’m not ignorant enough to forget the poem ’ first they came for’
That’s outside of the reality being faced by Canadians today and they’re rightful anger towards the situation.
While I don’t disagree, it is possible that populism is exacerbated both by misery and by potentially legitimate anti-immigration sentiments.