That calculation can change at any time. Since every state with an abortion ban allows for emergency abortions, federal law requires that they be available, and no doctors have been prosecuted for performing an emergency abortion, there is no logical reason to believe this will happen. However, there is now a significant risk of someone suing the hospital if a woman becomes injured or dies. When they realize they can make more money by following the law, this problem will go away.
A) You hope it will. In the meantime, we continue to see cases of people being in danger or even dying.
B) Good for you that you can hand-wave away other people’s lives and safety as just a temporary bump in the road.
Your callousness is disconcerting, to say the least, and I’m done with this conversation now because I can’t teach you to stop looking at people as statistics.
A) These kinds of calculations change all the time. That’s why we have other companies that hire and fire people constantly or make other seemingly absurd decisions - the cost and benefit calculations change. There’s more money to be made in providing early deliveries, like one doctor said they would, than there is in sending patients (customers) on their way with no treatment and getting sued for it. Based on the hundreds of abortions that have happened in Missouri since the ban clearly other doctors think this is true.
B) Allowing abortion in all cases would be a fallacious and nightmarish way to handwave human life as expendable in the name of bodily autonomy.
You don’t want to kill people unnecessarily, do you? That would make you so callous as to be inhumane.
I’ll come back for one last comment to make this clear:
It is never, EVER acceptable to force someone to use their body to save the life of another. Ever. CORPSES have more rights than that (you have to volunteer to be a donor before death).
You want women to have fewer rights than corpses?
And that’s without even arguing whether a clump of cells that can’t survive on its own is even considered a life.
You can think someone sucks for having an abortion, and we can discuss what happens when a fetus could possible be viable on its own. But bodily autonomy is non-negotiable. If someone says “disconnect me from the thing attached to my body” you fucking do it. End of story. Call them horrible, callous, a sinner, whatever you want. But you do not force people to use their body as an incubator against their will.
Your claim is wrong. Parents and guardians are forced to use their bodies to provide for children after they’re born. They may not be inside the mother any longer, but if the child is harmed or killed, they’re liable for child abuse, manslaughter, murder, etc.
The fetus has bodily autonomy as well. The woman’s body is made to accommodate the fetus, while no human being is made to accommodate organ harvesting. It is, by definition, a human organism, and thus a human being. A fetus is not a “thing.”
You obviously don’t understand the concept of bodily autonomy. Parental obligation is not the same as losing bodily autonomy. A parent is not required to give up a kidney or liver for their child. Accountability for a child’s behavior is not the same thing as losing bodily autonomy.
It’s no different than if you agree to a blood donor and decide in the middle of donation that you want to stop. They cannot force you to continue, even if someone’s life depends on it. The fetus’ bodily autonomy comes in the form of not having its organs harvested, and being allowed to survive outside the woman’s body if it can. There is no form of autonomy that involves another person. That is literally antithetical to the definition of autonomy
You are wrong, flat out, and I encourage you to learn more about ethics before making such patently erroneous statements
That calculation can change at any time. Since every state with an abortion ban allows for emergency abortions, federal law requires that they be available, and no doctors have been prosecuted for performing an emergency abortion, there is no logical reason to believe this will happen. However, there is now a significant risk of someone suing the hospital if a woman becomes injured or dies. When they realize they can make more money by following the law, this problem will go away.
A) You hope it will. In the meantime, we continue to see cases of people being in danger or even dying.
B) Good for you that you can hand-wave away other people’s lives and safety as just a temporary bump in the road.
Your callousness is disconcerting, to say the least, and I’m done with this conversation now because I can’t teach you to stop looking at people as statistics.
A) These kinds of calculations change all the time. That’s why we have other companies that hire and fire people constantly or make other seemingly absurd decisions - the cost and benefit calculations change. There’s more money to be made in providing early deliveries, like one doctor said they would, than there is in sending patients (customers) on their way with no treatment and getting sued for it. Based on the hundreds of abortions that have happened in Missouri since the ban clearly other doctors think this is true.
B) Allowing abortion in all cases would be a fallacious and nightmarish way to handwave human life as expendable in the name of bodily autonomy.
You don’t want to kill people unnecessarily, do you? That would make you so callous as to be inhumane.
I’ll come back for one last comment to make this clear:
It is never, EVER acceptable to force someone to use their body to save the life of another. Ever. CORPSES have more rights than that (you have to volunteer to be a donor before death).
You want women to have fewer rights than corpses?
And that’s without even arguing whether a clump of cells that can’t survive on its own is even considered a life.
You can think someone sucks for having an abortion, and we can discuss what happens when a fetus could possible be viable on its own. But bodily autonomy is non-negotiable. If someone says “disconnect me from the thing attached to my body” you fucking do it. End of story. Call them horrible, callous, a sinner, whatever you want. But you do not force people to use their body as an incubator against their will.
Your claim is wrong. Parents and guardians are forced to use their bodies to provide for children after they’re born. They may not be inside the mother any longer, but if the child is harmed or killed, they’re liable for child abuse, manslaughter, murder, etc.
The fetus has bodily autonomy as well. The woman’s body is made to accommodate the fetus, while no human being is made to accommodate organ harvesting. It is, by definition, a human organism, and thus a human being. A fetus is not a “thing.”
You obviously don’t understand the concept of bodily autonomy. Parental obligation is not the same as losing bodily autonomy. A parent is not required to give up a kidney or liver for their child. Accountability for a child’s behavior is not the same thing as losing bodily autonomy.
It’s no different than if you agree to a blood donor and decide in the middle of donation that you want to stop. They cannot force you to continue, even if someone’s life depends on it. The fetus’ bodily autonomy comes in the form of not having its organs harvested, and being allowed to survive outside the woman’s body if it can. There is no form of autonomy that involves another person. That is literally antithetical to the definition of autonomy
You are wrong, flat out, and I encourage you to learn more about ethics before making such patently erroneous statements