I was banned from /r/Latestagecapitalism for not agreeing with “China good”, tried to explain the opposite: “China bad ≠ America good”. They didn’t care.
What the living fuck are you talking about ‘occupied China’
that is the most brain broken anti-historic nonsense I’ve ever heard. The CPC is literally the result of decolonizing themselves. It was occupied until then. Not to be cliched but crack a fucking book holy shit
Chiang Kai-Shek was kidnapped by his own guards because he was too preoccupied on hunting down the communists to the ends of the earth to stop the Japanese from running rampant.
I’d love to hear your explanation of how 8000 people hiding in one of the most remote regions of China came to win the civil war, if not through widespread popular support.
Are you trying to deny that more Nationalist forces died during the 2nd Sino Japanese War than CCP forces and trying to call me dumb or are you just pro-Imperial Japan and trying to say they freed China?
As a matter of fact I will take this opportunity to call you dumb because your red herring of ‘who lost more troops against Japan’ has literally no bearing on any point of contention thus far raised.
Well given how Lemmy is mostly American ultra-leftwing it’s weird when they talk about changing China when they can’t even change their own neighbourhood, or even their own home.
Drag noticed something after the election: All the non voters say it’s not their fault, because Kamala is more to blame. They think blame is a limited resource. They think you can only blame either the DNC OR the voters, not both.
It’s the same as with China. They think if America is bad, then China has to be good. If there’s evidence of China being bad, the counterevidence is that America is worse.
Tankies think only one thing can be bad at a time. It’s the same with genocide, too. We can’t care about Ukraine and trans people and West Bank, because WhAt AbOuT gAzA.
The tankie mind only has room for one single bad thing in each subject. Only one bad genocide. Only one bad empire. Only one bad politician. They can’t conceive of two things being bad at the same time. It does not compute. When they say they understand two things being bad, they’re lying. They can only understand it in short term memory. They can’t internalise it and apply it to long term memory. Fifteen seconds after they admit two things can be bad, they forget it. It’s like clockwork. “America and China are both bad… 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15… China can’t be bad because America is bad! I’m not to blame for Trump’s win because Kamala ran a weak campaign! Gaza is the only genocide that matters!”
When you have the same energy for the ongoing genocides of both the Native Americans and the Black descendants of slavery in America that you have for Ukraine or bearing water for Israel, apparently, that’s the day I believe these four paragraphs of uninvestigated drivel isn’t projection and cope
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15… and you’ve forgotten that two things can be bad again. Drag said genocide in West Bank is bad, so you assumed drag doesn’t oppose genocide in Gaza and must support Israel. It’s like clockwork.
Since I know you’re gonna be a pedantic little weasel about this otherwise, here’s my list of things that I consider ‘bad’, to minimize and compartmentalize my views into your narrow little field of cope: any and all nations that profited, from the colonial age to modernity, off of the trade of African slaves, or off the extraction of resources from a motherland they have already spent 400+ years fundamentally violating. America, Europe, Spain, Portugal, France, every single fuckin’ one of the Nordics, all of them.
Beyond that, I consider all settler-colonies said white settlers have spawned since the colonial era ‘bad’-- which is to say, Israel too. I think you’ll find that’s a great deal many more than just two– they’re just not the people you want me to be sharpening a spear for.
And westerners-- American, european, doesn’t matter which-- have not given me reason to extend the benefit of the doubt in over a year that they aren’t zionist settlers or waterbearers for such. After all, most westerners are settlers themselves; and birds of a shit feather often flock together.
Fact of the matter is, our definitions of “imperialism” are two different definitions. You crutch yourself on the ignorant neoliberal definition, that “anti-imperialism” is just “against ALL empires”-- a naive, idealist stance. MY definition of “anti-imperialism” stands against the settlerdom I have been forced to live under the thumb of, all my life.
There’s a reason everyone is currently demonizing liberal ideology instead of standing up for the rights that the conservatives are working to strip away.
There really aren’t any good parts to liberalism. If you’re a liberal and the current year starts with a 2, you’re a monster. Like full on, need to be forcefully reducated kinda monster.
But to your second point, all nations, societies, and groups need to do that. It’s a fundamental aspect of society. There hasn’t been a society yet that doesn’t.
I’m Black; what reason I have to think the country that murders my people not only in the streets, but sometimes in their own beds, is a good force on the world? It is a very easy calculus for me:
“ain’t no Chinese, Cuban, or Russian that ever hard-r’d me. Plenty of Americans have. Ain’t no Chinese, Cuban, or Russian that ever side-eyed me for just walking down the street. Plenty of white Americans have. Ain’t no Chinese, Cuban, or Russian that ever held me at gunpoint unjustly, either. More than one sallow American pig has.”
If that meterstick was good enough for Muhammad Ali in reference to Vietnam, it’s good enough for me in reference to the people the white moderate claims should be my ‘enemies’.
God how true this is for all the America bad people
Lemmy has wayyyy to many people who can’t understand that America bad ≠ China good.
I was banned from /r/Latestagecapitalism for not agreeing with “China good”, tried to explain the opposite: “China bad ≠ America good”. They didn’t care.
Is China also killing people in the middle east?
imperialism is when the middle east, because everyone knows that only one country can be bad at once and america runs a monopoly on genocide
go read a book, I’m done with talking to you illiterate morons incapable of understanding any sort of nuance
Yeah it’s annoying when any criticism of Occupied China results in them talking about America
What the living fuck are you talking about ‘occupied China’
that is the most brain broken anti-historic nonsense I’ve ever heard. The CPC is literally the result of decolonizing themselves. It was occupied until then. Not to be cliched but crack a fucking book holy shit
I am aware of the terrorists sitting back while Real China 🇹🇼 tried protecting the people from the Japanese then not having the strength afterwards
Chiang Kai-Shek was kidnapped by his own guards because he was too preoccupied on hunting down the communists to the ends of the earth to stop the Japanese from running rampant.
I’d love to hear your explanation of how 8000 people hiding in one of the most remote regions of China came to win the civil war, if not through widespread popular support.
So you’re literally a genocidal fascist or too stupid to bother reading the history you’re claiming as the source of your righteousness.
My money is you’re dumb af
Are you trying to deny that more Nationalist forces died during the 2nd Sino Japanese War than CCP forces and trying to call me dumb or are you just pro-Imperial Japan and trying to say they freed China?
As a matter of fact I will take this opportunity to call you dumb because your red herring of ‘who lost more troops against Japan’ has literally no bearing on any point of contention thus far raised.
Related to this
Your pro-Imperial Japan pov is related to this
Well given how Lemmy is mostly American ultra-leftwing it’s weird when they talk about changing China when they can’t even change their own neighbourhood, or even their own home.
Eh, Lemmy isn’t that left wing. It’s just normal left.
Depends on the instance, Lemmy ranges from liberal to Anarchist to Marxist. Most instances lean in one of those major directions, or at most 2.
Drag noticed something after the election: All the non voters say it’s not their fault, because Kamala is more to blame. They think blame is a limited resource. They think you can only blame either the DNC OR the voters, not both.
It’s the same as with China. They think if America is bad, then China has to be good. If there’s evidence of China being bad, the counterevidence is that America is worse.
Tankies think only one thing can be bad at a time. It’s the same with genocide, too. We can’t care about Ukraine and trans people and West Bank, because WhAt AbOuT gAzA.
The tankie mind only has room for one single bad thing in each subject. Only one bad genocide. Only one bad empire. Only one bad politician. They can’t conceive of two things being bad at the same time. It does not compute. When they say they understand two things being bad, they’re lying. They can only understand it in short term memory. They can’t internalise it and apply it to long term memory. Fifteen seconds after they admit two things can be bad, they forget it. It’s like clockwork. “America and China are both bad… 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15… China can’t be bad because America is bad! I’m not to blame for Trump’s win because Kamala ran a weak campaign! Gaza is the only genocide that matters!”
When you have the same energy for the ongoing genocides of both the Native Americans and the Black descendants of slavery in America that you have for Ukraine or bearing water for Israel, apparently, that’s the day I believe these four paragraphs of uninvestigated drivel isn’t projection and cope
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15… and you’ve forgotten that two things can be bad again. Drag said genocide in West Bank is bad, so you assumed drag doesn’t oppose genocide in Gaza and must support Israel. It’s like clockwork.
Since I know you’re gonna be a pedantic little weasel about this otherwise, here’s my list of things that I consider ‘bad’, to minimize and compartmentalize my views into your narrow little field of cope: any and all nations that profited, from the colonial age to modernity, off of the trade of African slaves, or off the extraction of resources from a motherland they have already spent 400+ years fundamentally violating. America, Europe, Spain, Portugal, France, every single fuckin’ one of the Nordics, all of them.
Beyond that, I consider all settler-colonies said white settlers have spawned since the colonial era ‘bad’-- which is to say, Israel too. I think you’ll find that’s a great deal many more than just two– they’re just not the people you want me to be sharpening a spear for.
And westerners-- American, european, doesn’t matter which-- have not given me reason to extend the benefit of the doubt in over a year that they aren’t zionist settlers or waterbearers for such. After all, most westerners are settlers themselves; and birds of a shit feather often flock together.
Fact of the matter is, our definitions of “imperialism” are two different definitions. You crutch yourself on the ignorant neoliberal definition, that “anti-imperialism” is just “against ALL empires”-- a naive, idealist stance. MY definition of “anti-imperialism” stands against the settlerdom I have been forced to live under the thumb of, all my life.
You are manifestly unserious.
Yeah but it’s a very easy/not even contest that “China better than America”. You don’t need China to be good for that to be true.
China good though
Who is China good for?
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(As an anarchist)
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Gets it in one.
There’s a reason everyone is currently demonizing liberal ideology instead of standing up for the rights that the conservatives are working to strip away.
Liberal ideology is a regressive conservative ideology.
It was progressive three centuries ago. It’s not anymore, it’s outlived it’s usefulness.
Unfortunately tankies throw out the good parts of liberalism along with the bad, and endorse throwing people in gaol for wrongthink.
Speaking of bad parts of liberalism: it’s wrong to throw Hitler into jail for spreading nazi thought
Look at what your values actually are
Jesus fuck tankies are fucking morons. Do you actually think anybody buys your shitty argument?
If my argument is shitty, please engage with it instead of mugging for a crowd you assume is already on your side
No, I’m not going to spend effort engaging in good faith with an argument clearly made in bad faith.
You’re nothing but thought terminating cliches and smugness.
There really aren’t any good parts to liberalism. If you’re a liberal and the current year starts with a 2, you’re a monster. Like full on, need to be forcefully reducated kinda monster.
But to your second point, all nations, societies, and groups need to do that. It’s a fundamental aspect of society. There hasn’t been a society yet that doesn’t.
Not being arrested for publicly disagreeing with the government is a good thing.
The college students divest israel protests?
Yup, America also bad. I suppose you could say the difference is that America pretends to be good, while China is openly totalitarian.
Depends on the disagreement. If you think the country should burn and it’s people suffer and are advocating for that, you should maybe be arrested.
Noooooo I want the empire that hides all the bad things they do so I don’t have to think about it while I drive my SUV and buy Starbucks!!! /s
Idk man, I feel like a lot of us “America bad” people are from Europe and don’t support China or Russia either.
I’m Black; what reason I have to think the country that murders my people not only in the streets, but sometimes in their own beds, is a good force on the world? It is a very easy calculus for me:
If that meterstick was good enough for Muhammad Ali in reference to Vietnam, it’s good enough for me in reference to the people the white moderate claims should be my ‘enemies’.
Yeah the problem isn’t “America bad”, it’s “America bad, therefore China/Russia good”
Yeah you’ll see that implied a lot on Lemmy.ml