Leaked files show top UK military figures conspired to carry out the Kerch bridge bombing, covertly train “Gladio”-style stay-behind forces in Ukraine, and groom the British public for a drop in living standards caused by the proxy war against Russia. Emails and internal documents reviewed by The Grayzone reveal details of a cabal of British military and intelligence veterans which plotted to escalate and prolong the Ukraine proxy war “at all costs.” Convened under the direction of the British Ministry […]
What operation Gladio was, what it actually did and what stone conspiracy theorists claim it was are probably different things. Just because Ganser claims it was basically a terrorist network doesn’t mean that’s the truth, in fact he doesn’t present proof of the matter, at least not of you don’t believe that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_Field_Manual_30-31B is authentic.
Also, the goal of the operation wasn’t to prolong an ongoing war or keep the people off the nations behind it in poverty.
First the West intervened in 2022 to stop Kiev from negotiating
??? The US even offered Zelensky to be evacuated, which he declined - are you saying Ukraine isn’t an independent nation, but rather under so much influence of western states that it can’t decide whether to fight the invasion or not?
they prolong the war with aid
This is one of the dumbest and worst takes. “If the Russians could just invade Ukraine without resistance, there’d be peace!” Holy shit dude, you’re just a troll
There is more than one book about Gladio but at this point I am just going to assume you are a real boot boy who loves the western military and believes everything they say and dismisses all criticism as conspiracies. Don’t beat around the bush you slimy motherfucker. You believe the CIA claim that the document is “communist forgery”. This is the organization that took ib Hitler’s men after the war. Why didn’t you state your reasons for dismissing the document as a hoax? Worried you might look “Muricacentric” man?
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/ The “Zelensky is a badass” narrative in 2024 is hilarious. So you expect me to believe negotiations did not fall through because of the West intervening when Foreign Affairs admitted they had a peace deal worked out prior to the UK doing so. Fat chance. You really perceive this as a Manichean struggle and not a geopolitical conflict motivated by finance. Dogbrained bullshit.
Yes the military aid is specifically to prolong the war are you serious? You actually think the western countries are just sending the aid to be nice. Ukraine now has one of the worst debt situations in the entire world, and who do you think that is owed to? The same firms that ensure your children will never own a house, buddy.
Russia and Ukraine may have agreed on a tentative deal to end the war in April, according to a recent piece in Foreign Affairs.
“Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement,” wrote Fiona Hill and Angela Stent. “Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.”
Calls it peace plan, then I’m the next paragraph refers to it as “negotiated interim settlement” where Russia gets to hold all of Crimea and the Donbas… and the word peace doesn’t even appear in the linked article. Nor any reference to an end of the conflict, and even the word “deal” only about the grain export.
The “Zelensky is a badass” narrative in 2024 is hilarious.
And yet, you’re the only one calling it that. I was just stating that was offered and that Ukraine’s government declined, asking if you’re saying that this wasn’t their own decision - which you dodged answering.
What operation Gladio was, what it actually did and what stone conspiracy theorists claim it was are probably different things. Just because Ganser claims it was basically a terrorist network doesn’t mean that’s the truth, in fact he doesn’t present proof of the matter, at least not of you don’t believe that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_Field_Manual_30-31B is authentic.
Also, the goal of the operation wasn’t to prolong an ongoing war or keep the people off the nations behind it in poverty.
??? The US even offered Zelensky to be evacuated, which he declined - are you saying Ukraine isn’t an independent nation, but rather under so much influence of western states that it can’t decide whether to fight the invasion or not?
This is one of the dumbest and worst takes. “If the Russians could just invade Ukraine without resistance, there’d be peace!” Holy shit dude, you’re just a troll
There is more than one book about Gladio but at this point I am just going to assume you are a real boot boy who loves the western military and believes everything they say and dismisses all criticism as conspiracies. Don’t beat around the bush you slimy motherfucker. You believe the CIA claim that the document is “communist forgery”. This is the organization that took ib Hitler’s men after the war. Why didn’t you state your reasons for dismissing the document as a hoax? Worried you might look “Muricacentric” man?
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/ The “Zelensky is a badass” narrative in 2024 is hilarious. So you expect me to believe negotiations did not fall through because of the West intervening when Foreign Affairs admitted they had a peace deal worked out prior to the UK doing so. Fat chance. You really perceive this as a Manichean struggle and not a geopolitical conflict motivated by finance. Dogbrained bullshit.
Yes the military aid is specifically to prolong the war are you serious? You actually think the western countries are just sending the aid to be nice. Ukraine now has one of the worst debt situations in the entire world, and who do you think that is owed to? The same firms that ensure your children will never own a house, buddy.
Calls it peace plan, then I’m the next paragraph refers to it as “negotiated interim settlement” where Russia gets to hold all of Crimea and the Donbas… and the word peace doesn’t even appear in the linked article. Nor any reference to an end of the conflict, and even the word “deal” only about the grain export.
And yet, you’re the only one calling it that. I was just stating that was offered and that Ukraine’s government declined, asking if you’re saying that this wasn’t their own decision - which you dodged answering.