• Belgdore@lemm.ee
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    9 days ago

    There were a few people on the left (with followings on social media) advocating for third party votes because Kamala wouldn’t say that she was going to stop sending money to Israel.

    Post election, it looks like third party votes didn’t spoil anything.

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      9 days ago

      Oh yeah, I was arguing with them all the time. I figured they were bots. Seems like they have all dried up right after the election.

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        9 days ago

        Define “dried up”. The election us over and the country chose fascism. What else is there to argue about?

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        9 days ago

        Nope, we’re still here. sorry your candidate lost! maybe she shouldn’t have tossed the 25 electoral points into the trash bin for 2 months right out of the gate. 🤷 If you want votes from the people who are not monsters you need to run candidates who are not monsters. I have yet to see people give a single reason why harris couldn’t have shifted on gaza that isn’t ‘lesser evil’, ‘trump bad’. never mind all the other issues with her campaign. hilariously she and biden and the rest of the dems don’t seem too upset they lost. guess they didnt mind getting trump and losing the senate.

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          9 days ago

          We will all be sorry she lost. Also I voted for the lesser of two evils here. Kamala and I are not ideology aligned. Also I agree with most of your critiques of her campaign, but I think any democratic would have made these mistakes.

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            9 days ago

            Virtue signal harder friend it wont save you. We’ll be here if it actually gets bad but the democrats are done as an option given this last campaign.

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              8 days ago

              How am I virtue signaling? Also, I agree, we are in a era of populism, I think this last election showed that liberal policy wonkery does not sell anymore.

              Democrats need to change their tact if they’re planning on winning any more elections.

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                8 days ago

                I voted for harris

                you’re straight up virtue signalling by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.

                In this particular case you’re trying to soften the blow for ardent progenocide supporters for harris. unfortunately they need to the cold hard truth to wake them up.

                You:

                I voted for harris, don’t hurt me, I didnt agree with her but I still was in your group!

                Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.

                But in my opinion this exact behavior is why harris lost. people were so busy virtue signalling they didnt support trump and dog piling all their stress onto anyone who told them harris was going to lose that harris’ campaign didn’t pick up exactly how fucked they actually were over gaza and the economy.

                Most people are not like myself, they wont go out of their way to tell you how fucked up something is unless it negatively impacts them. Its why the arabs were screaming the entire campaign but very few others like myself were. instead they saw what was happening and just wrote harris off after comparing her actions to trumps words. Aka: trump may act and say hes a monster, but at least he doesn’t lie to my face about it.

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                  Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.

                  Ok, I found this soo funny. I don’t know if you know that your doing it, but all your replies to me have been oozing with contempt. Are you for real? Of course I am taking your posts in a negative manner. How would anyone not?

                  That is besides the point.

                  by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.

                  When I google “virtue signaling definition” this is the definition I get “the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue.”

                  Do my actions/words still apply? If so, how?

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                    8 days ago

                    Yes, you literally are stating you voted for harris to signal the correctness of your position on the issue. My definition and the definition you quoted are pretty much functionally identical. People dont like people in their group if they dont consider them morally decent.

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        9 days ago

        (Most) Third party voters are like cicadas. They spend the majority of their lives immature and underground. Every 4 years they swarm and die quickly to apathy and despair.

        Just like cicadas, third party voters will be heavily affected by climate change.