So what I’m hearing is, we should treat SCOTUS the same way Trump supporters treated Congress on 1/6?
Is that really the argument they want to make?
Lol… I do like your point. However, it seems like what they are saying is that you have to prove they intended harm on those conducting official proceedings. Attacking a police officer is good evidence, but it doesn’t necessarily show an intent to harm those conducting the proceeding.
it seems like what they are saying is that you have to prove they intended harm on those conducting official proceedings.
Uh huh.
So I guess breaking into Congress when it was closed to the public because of COVID, on the day Congress was meeting to certify the winner of an election Trump and his supporters refused to acknowledge he lost, bringing zip tie handcuffs, building a fucking gallows out front, chanting “Hang Mike Pence!”, having guns on the Capitol grounds and stashed around DC, and literally beating the officers who were there to protect Congress, doesn’t mean Trump supporters were there with “intention to harm?”
Yep, sounds exactly the same as being angry about America’s still-extant racism which allows Black men to be murdered by cops to me!
According to your logic, during a BLM protest where people start rioting and breaking into shops that means all the protesters in the area had an intention of committing the same crimes. Do you really want cops charging everyone in a public area with the same crime? Do you want them locking up journalists and people there peacefully cause some people in their vicinity had some lighters, cloth and alcohol bottles? The whole point of trial is to prove someones guilt and for that you need evidence of what crime they were planning to commit.
Many times it was found that those people breaking shop windows during BLM protests were actually right-wing agitators.
They might have been. The whole point was the article which discusses whether to charge them with a specific crime that requires a specific intent, and I said you need evidence against each defendant for that… and the fringe antifa left came out and said, no… charge them all cause everyone that entered the Capitol building was there to hang pence. Several of them claimed several officers died, and then were to ashamed to admit that all public reports including Wikipedia said no officers died.
IMO many of these commenters are just as bad as the right-wingers who don’t deal in facts. They are just as gullible to misinformation and don’t care about real facts or evidence.
Quick question there, sparky:
How many people charged for their actions on Jan 6 never entered the Capitol?
Because the only way the logic you’re defending holds up, is if that was the case.
Sparky? Really bro?
Did you even read the story that I was responding to, you know the specific crime that the Supreme Court was looking at. They weren’t looking to see if trespassing was illegal, nor did I ever say they shouldn’t be charged with trespassing nor of entering a government building without permission. I was talking about whether the protesters should all be treated like they were their to kill representatives certifying the votes even without evidence that was all their intentions. Sure, some may have been there for that purpose, but does that meant that everyone that entered into the capitol building was there for that exact same reason?
If so, my point was does that mean that everyone at a BLM protests… even those that were being peaceful, are in an area when someone sets a fire… should be charged with arson? Like, do we want judges saying… oh, they were in the area or in the building when this happened and cause a few were there for a different purpose, it means they were all there for the same purpose. Or do we want courts to evaluate the evidence against each defendant and try to treat people fairly as much as possible?
They were beating officers and breaking doors and windows so they could get into the chambers and shake the hands of their elected representatives!
So you’re telling me the BLM protestors breaking windows, trying to set fires and throwing rocks at police wanted to set the whole city on fire and kill all the police? And so when it came to their charges, they just got let go? Like c’mon… Are you even going to talk about this from a legitimate perspective, cause otherwise you’re just helping the Jan 6 attackers by being ficticios.
This guy is going full reddit here. Comparing BLM to the insurrection, acting like they’re the same, and downplaying the insurrection.
I notice that the centrists who call everyone who doesn’t worship Biden’s support for genocide a Trump supporter are silent here.
This is what "both sides"ing actually looks like. This is what Trump support actually looks like. Centrists don’t care in this case because they only oppose those to their left.
You are so far from reality… If you call yourself a Democrat and Democrats are supposed to be educated, then Trump will certainly win and it will be your fault and people that circle jerk the same kind of reactionary non-educated and emotionally challenged ideas you spread. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that in the end the Russian trolls aren’t laughing right now at how easy it is to manipulate some American democrats by just targeting their emotions and feelings when they won’t do any basic research beyond on how they feel.
No where did I try to equate the two. Laws are indifferent to your feelings of when violence and crime are justified. My point was that some BLM protesters doings something doesn’t mean that they are guilty of it. In fact, my argument was in support of peaceful protesters. The only way you could be offended is if you are in fact a violent protester who is upset that violence isn’t allowed when it makes you feel good.
“The only way you could be offended…” lmfao. Get off your high horse bud. And no your arguments are not about peaceful protest but you already know this.
You’ve got an agenda that has nothing to do with being honest and transparent. Instead resort to ad hominem attacks and hyperbole.
Because only one of those groups were patsies led by a handful of traitors to our country in a plot to overthrow our elected government. And it wasn’t the Dobbs protesters.
I’m sorry but patsies makes it sound like they were just gullible victims.
When was the last time Dobbs protestors took a dump on these asshole’s desk?
Or killed anyone. More’s the pity.
Who did the Jan. 6 protestors kill?
A police officer, and they’re responsible for the death of one of their own
Except even Wikipedia says that is false and that the medical examiner determined natural causes and this was accepted as the cause by Capitol Police. So were the police victims or are they in on it and covering up for Trump? If they are covering up, are the claims true that they led protestors into the building?
This idiot glossing over the fact that the Jan 6th traitors not only attempted to capture congress to kill them and the vice president but also shit in their hands and smeared it on the capital walls?
For Real. J6 built a gallows.
They beat policemen to death and wiped their own feces on the walls of our Nation’s Capital.
(I am amazed how often this gets deleted by moderators on lemmy when I point this out)
Which policemen did they beat to death?
I apologize. Of the officers beaten by rioters only one, Brian Sicknick, died directly from the wounds. Fifteen more were hospitalized.
Umm… And you’re 100% sure that the medical examiner is lying despite natural causes also being the accepted finding by Capitol Police?
Why are you splitting hairs to defend insurrectionists?
Is it because they beat capitol police and you hate the police?
No, it is because like I said the Supreme Court did ask some valid questions… there are plenty of laws that the people on Jan. 6 broke, but the one in particular that they are using could equally be applied to protesters that have also disrupted official proceedings. If the police have evidence that all the people that went into the capitol were there with a plan to assassinate and specifically harm members of congress, then yes I think that they should qualify under this law. But, merely going into the capitol building is not sufficient evidence in of itself. I’m just saying, be careful what you wish for and don’t be surprised if suddenly climate activists and other Democrat protesters don’t get charged with the same thing once you do.
Medical examiners are one step removed from cops (as in they work with cops a lot and a lot of them are ridiculously unqualified political hires) so yeah, it would be stupid to trust them in any even slightly contentious circumstances.
Did you read what Wikipedia had to say as well?
