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    18 hours ago

    Looks like people voted no to slavery, but the question asked do you not support slavery.

    The answer should have been (yes) I do not support slavery.

    Instead (no) I do not support slavery.

    I can image a good chunk of people got confused with the wording, and I myself am still confused reading it.

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        10 hours ago

        The link you supplied clears it all up. No way anyone could have misunderstood the vote, the ballot even outlines what yes and no mean in the context.

        I think I now agree with what krashmo said in the thread below.

        “Or maybe Americans are largely shitty people. Stop trying to excuse the behavior and accept it for what it is”

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          The part that was most surprising to me was this:

          ARGUMENTS

          PRO Proposition 6 ends slavery in California and upholds human rights and dignity for everyone. It replaces carceral involuntary servitude with voluntary work programs, has bipartisan support, and aligns with national efforts to reform the 13th Amendment. It will prioritize rehabilitation, lower recidivism, and improve public safety, resulting in taxpayer savings.

          CON No argument against Proposition 6 was submitted.

          No one came out in opposition? Not even the bureau of prisons, or the warden’s union‽‽ And it still didn’t pass?

          Edit: I, and all my housemates claim to have, voted for this proposition, and actually all the propositions I had on my ballot in IB to pass. It’s truly disheartening to see that all the other props that mattered less than this one passed, and this one that literally seems to have no downsides is potentially failing.

          For reference, the downsides of almost every single other proposition on the IB ballot would increase various taxes, and all of them passed. WTELF you stupid NIMBYS‽‽‽

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              This is the only reason that I would support the absolutely horrendous idea of ensuring that everyone’s vote was public record, and I would still vote against that erosion of our rights.

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      Are you sure? It seems pretty straightforward to me. “This amendment would bar slavery and involuntary servitude.” It’s the first sentence.

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        With the amount of people that voted for Trump I don’t have much confidence in the literacy of randos

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        I bet the wording on the ballot was different. Similar election results sites for my local ballot measures hasve greatly simplified the language the ballot had (which honestly is probably how ballot measures should be written)

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          You know, reading that today, and putting myself in the shoes of an overworked, everyday American, it seems the wording does leave something to be desired. I wonder how that vote would have turned out if the question were: “Do you support slavery as long as the person was convicted of a crime and is in prison?”

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          Or maybe Americans are largely shitty people. Stop trying to excuse the behavior and accept it for what it is

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            Well yeah, obviously, but the wording of a question is often manipulated to lead people to different results. That’s all

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              The wording on the ballot was summarized, but it hit the key points.

              PROP 6

              ELIMINATES CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION ALLOWING INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE FOR INCARCERATED PERSONS. LEGISLATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. SUMMARY Put on the Ballot by the Legislature

              Amends the California Constitution to remove current provision that allows jails and prisons to impose involuntary servitude to punish crime (i.e., forcing incarcerated persons to work). Fiscal Impact: Potential increase or decrease in state and local costs, depending on how work for people in state prison and county jail changes. Any effect likely would not exceed the tens of millions of dollars annually.

              Supporters: Assemblymember Lori Wilson

              Opponents: None submitted

              WHAT YOUR VOTE MEANS

              YES A YES vote on this measure means: Involuntary servitude would not be allowed as punishment for crime. State prisons would not be allowed to discipline people in prison who refuse to work.

              NO A NO vote on this measure means: Involuntary servitude would continue to be allowed as punishment for crime. ARGUMENTS

              PRO Proposition 6 ends slavery in California and upholds human rights and dignity for everyone. It replaces carceral involuntary servitude with voluntary work programs, has bipartisan support, and aligns with national efforts to reform the 13th Amendment. It will prioritize rehabilitation, lower recidivism, and improve public safety, resulting in taxpayer savings.

              CON No argument against Proposition 6 was submitted.

              That’s what we were all mailed to our particular mail collection place.

              On the actual ballot it was clear that a “yes” vote was a vote to abolish the clause in our state constitution that allowed this barbary.