• alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    18 days ago

    So either Dems have to go low, and lower the bar further, bend the rules more, and be just as guilty of breaking democracy

    If you were elected to do X, and the rules get in the way, it’s antidemocratic to let them stop you.

    Every time the democrats used the parliamentarian or the villain of the week or the republicans or norms or rules they themselves set in the senate as an excuse to do what their voters want (and their donors don’t want), they are breaking democracy.

    Democrats don’t have to be perfect, they have to be effective. Republicans are effective, but only to do bad things. Democrats do manage to be effective sometimes, but only to do bad things, such as when Biden went around congress to keep arms shipments flowing to Israel.

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      18 days ago

      You are embracing fascism as long as it’s your guys.

      That’s the problem.

      There’s no winning. Democrats embrace fascism, everyone loses. Democrats play by the rules, Democrats lose.

      It’s not for lack of trying. Congress has been too split for too long, Republicans care more about open-carrying to committee meetings than to get anything actually done. They get to make the Democrats look bad by dragging their heels and voting no on anything they bring up. And that makes them heroes, somehow.

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        18 days ago

        No, fascism isn’t when you break rules to be effective in government.

        Would you call FDR a fascist?

        Republicans care more about open-carrying to committee meetings than to get anything actually done

        So go around them. Did you learn nothing from Obama giving the republicans half of the discretionary budget to appeal to their better nature, which the republicans voted against anyway? Or the compromised republican healthcare plan, Obamacare? West wing-brained libs claimed this was a stroke of genius, because everyone would see how civil and reasonable the dems were by reaching across the aisle.

        And then the dems got blown the fuck out in 2010 because republicans saw their representatives fighting for them, and dem voters saw their representatives unilaterally passing republican policy despite having a super majority in the house and senate.