• SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee
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    A senior member of Hamas has hailed the systematic slaughter of civilians in Israel

    When asked whether this meant the complete annihilation of Israel, Hamas replied: “Yes, of course.”

    who still thinks hamas are the good guys?

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      Who still thinks any state is the good guys? Hamas and Israel are both enemies of the people.

      The only way to cut through the propagandistic lies of these groups is to point out that neither truly represents the people they say they do.

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        Difference is, Israel isn’t meant to represent palestinian people, Hamas is. And they are doing a great job of it, if their job is getting civilians killed.

        Edit: Just think about the massive protests against Netanyahu earlier in the year. Do those show how in tune the Israeli government and people are? No. But the very fact they could protest mostly peacefully differentiates Israel’s treatment of its population from all of its neighbours.

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          The… what? I have no idea what you’re even trying to say.

          The IDF is still dropping bombs on civilians. You can invent whatever bullshit you feel like, it doesn’t make that somehow okay.

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                It makes sense because it doesn’t violate Geneva conventions. If there are combatants hiding among civilians their deaths are 100% on said combatants. What do you expect Israel to do? After a terrorist attack that is equal to 17 (!) times the scope of 9/11 just to shrug it off and send more humanitarian aid to be pillaged by Hamas?

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                  100%. People here scream “genocide” and “war crimes” but have no idea what these words mean. The “friends” of Palestine here make even Reddit look normal.

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      To be fair, and I realize it’s difficult to be fair here:

      The Israeli government has said it is going for the total destruction of Hamas. Hamas has said it is going for the total destruction of the Israeli government… They’ve taken up equivalent positions

      I think what that really means, is both belligerents are going to try the radical new policy of killing more random civilians, and seeing if anything changes…

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        No. Israel has said they are going for the total destruction of Hamas. Hamas is a government entity and the ruling government of Gaza.

        Hamas has said they are going for the total destruction of Israel the nation. Including all Jewish civilians. Not the government, all Jewish people in Israel.

        That’s been Hamas’ position for years. They want to eliminate all Jews from the region.

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          Literally in the article that this post is about, they said they are trying to avoid civilians. It’s blatant fucking lie, but it’s what they’re saying.

          You just said that they’re going publicly, for the destruction of all Jewish people, that contradicts the article that we’re talking about here. If they’re stated goal is the death of Jewish people, why would they try to avoid Jewish casualties, why would they say that? If it’s in their charter shouldn’t they reinforce it when they’re talking in public?

          If we’re pulling in outside sources. https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

          • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
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            Literally in the article that this post is about, they said they are trying to avoid civilians.

            Yeah… so… after them killing over 1200 Israelis, the vast majority of them civilians, everyone they could get their hands on basically, I kinda don’t trust them.

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              Yeah… so… after them killing over 5,000 Palestinians, the vast majority of them civilians, everyone they could get their hands on basically, I kinda don’t trust them.

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                everyone they could get their hands on basically,

                If that utter nonsense was true there would be 100x as many dead.