• Malek061@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Nope. Freedom is Freedom. Can’t compromise with extremists. Burn any book whenever, wherever. If you’re offended, tough cookies.

    • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      Not nope. You do not have the freedom to incite violence.

      Come up with a better argument than “freedom is freedom” because that simply does not exist.

      You also do not have the freedom to roam the streets nude.

      We have freedom of speech and freedom of expression. That doesn’t mean you can say anything you want. You can’t express yourself in any way you want.

      Hate speech is not protected speech here.

      And it’s not about giving in to extremeists. They may want the same thing. That doesn’t mean it’s the reason for it.

      If you have an actual argument for your stance. Please share it.

      You seem to think I’m offended by burning books. I’m not. Doesn’t mean I can’t understand the viewpoint that it can be seen as incitement.

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        1 year ago

        And it’s not about giving in to extremeists. They may want the same thing. That doesn’t mean it’s the reason for it.

        So how exactly do you justify the ban without referencing the reaction by violent extremists?

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          1 year ago

          As mentioned already. You can justify it by classifying the action as incitement.

          Incitement is illegal. What the bill proposes. Is to classify burning of religious texts as incitement.

          The reaction to the burnings can also be illegal, if that reaction is violence and/or threat of violence. Two wrongs doesn’t make a right.

          The violent reactions are also not the only ones. Those are just the ones you hear about, because making an article of how some people talk about why they think it’s wrong and hateful in a peaceful way just doesn’t sell as many papers or generate nearly as many clicks.

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            1 year ago

            So who exactly is going to be incited if there are no violent extremists?

            making an article of how some people talk about why they think it’s wrong and hateful in a peaceful way just doesn’t sell as many papers or generate nearly as many clicks.

            And those people are absolutely entitled to their opinion but not to laws banning all the actions they consider wrong. There are many, many, many things that we consider basic freedoms that someone else considers wrong (religious people seem to be particularly prone to that but far from the only ones). The reasons we ban things should be based on objective facts and objectively burning a single copy you own yourself of a symbol of something that exists in billions of copies is just about as inoffensive as criticism of a group can get when it goes beyond mere words.