The Republican presidential candidate ridiculously claimed that Biden is "trying to hold" Bibi back, as the Israeli prime minister continued to ruthlessly bomb Lebanon and Gaza.

“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    38·
    15 hours ago

    Okay, let’s play this out. What exactly do you want her to say?

    That she would consider conditioning weapons sales. She hasn’t even done that. There isn’t one lousy photon of daylight between her and Biden, and there isn’t a photon between him and Netanyahu.

    Centrists withdraw support from Harris and more than likely sit out the election, though a few may move over to Trump.

    You mean to tell me that “vote blue no matter who” only works one way? That it’s only meant for progressives to show unconditional support to the pro-genocide anti-worker wing of the party, but that the very instant that centrists don’t get 100% of everything they want for the first time ever, they immediately defect and become red capped trumpers?

    Or…she tries to thread a very small needle, gets elected, and can the come to the bargaining table as the newly sworn-in President.

    And announces that she has a mandate to continue Biden’s pro-genocide policies. Centrists rejoice.

    Harris wouldn’t have been my top choice, or even in my top 5

    Yeah. Netanyahu can’t run in US elections.

    • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      114·
      15 hours ago

      That she would consider conditioning weapons sales. She hasn’t even done that. There isn’t one lousy photon of daylight between her and Biden, and there isn’t a photon between him and Netanyahu.

      So I was correct in guessing what you wanted her to say? And my entire reply was about the probable outcome of that.

      You mean to tell me that “vote blue no matter who” only works one way?

      I was referring to centrist as those not strongly associated with either party. I despise the term “independents” as I think they are anything but. Basically the folks who see the Cheney endorsement and think “Maybe I can vote for Harris after all?” The 55 to 75 year olds who turn out in droves every election. And because of that, you need to get as many of them voting for you as possible to win.

      And announces that she has a mandate to continue Biden’s pro-genocide policies. Centrists rejoice.

      Obviously you have no interest in discussing this rationally. Especially considering you then implied my top choice for US president would’ve been Netanyahu.

      I laid out what I think would happen if Harris did what you wanted. You chose not to refute any of that. Or more likely - you couldn’t.

      So, want to try again or just throw more insults my way?

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        73·
        11 hours ago

        I applaud the effort, friend… And I think it’s good to continue having this discussion over and over and over, if only so others may see it and perhaps be swayed.

        But… at some point in a thread, it’s just not worth the time anymore. I actually believe it’s a tactic, sort of like those scam-baiters who keep spam callers busy for as long as possible so as to prevent them from scamming others, even if just for an hour. They know how to push our buttons, and they want us to waste time and effort on a thoughtful reply knowing full well that they probably won’t even read it…

        But again, jokes on them, because the comments aren’t for them.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        28·
        12 hours ago

        So I was correct in guessing what you wanted her to say?

        You were not, but being incorrect in favor of Netanyahu and his genocide is basically what you do.

        My position was:

        That she would consider conditioning weapons sales

        Yours was:

        Let’s say as part of that statement, she says Israel should get no more aid.

        I guess the only way you can falsely declare victory is if you lie about my position. That’s fine. You and the straw version of me you’ve constructed can have fun in my absence.

        • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          32·
          6 hours ago

          Dude, do you not know that pretty much ALL the aid we provide Israel is military aid?! Do you think we’re sending them fruit baskets?

          Most of the aid—approximately $3.3 billion a year—is provided as grants under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, funds that Israel must use to purchase U.S. military equipment and services. In October, the Joe Biden administration said Israel had nearly six hundred active FMF cases, totalling around $24 billion.

          https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

          I hadn’t realized that you were that ignorant about such an evidently passionately held belief.

    • davidagain@lemmy.world
      63·
      14 hours ago

      “He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        29·
        12 hours ago

        I’m not sure why you’re quoting trump here. I don’t support him. Do you consider his words to be true or laudable? Do you just imagine that anyone who doesn’t support genocide must be a trumper?

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          81·
          11 hours ago

          If you vote third party or don’t vote, you support him.

          You know this. You know the math. It has been explained to you dozens of times, and I will not waste my time further after this comment.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            28·
            11 hours ago

            If you vote third party or don’t vote, you support him.

            Then it’s a good thing that I’m voting for Harris, as I have said many times. Not that you care. You see any opposition at all to genocide and immediately and without so much as a first thought assume “trumper.”

            It’s possible to oppose genocide without being a trumper. You should try it. Opposing genocide, that is, not being a trumper.