• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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    Speaking of the headline, politicians when encouraged to attempt peace through negotiation rather than insisting on decisive victory being the only way

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      can’t tell if this is some genuine post, or pro-russia shilling for peace negotiationing between Ukraine and Russia

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          No, because you cannot make a peace contract with a liar and thief, he will break it as soon as it fits him

          He has zero regard for civilised relations between countries. Suing for peace he sees as weakness, violence as strength. A person who thinks this way can never be convinced to leave others alone. The only way is a defeat so thorough they are unable to retaliate in decades even if they try their hardest. Or death. Preferably death.

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            That is true but that does not answer the question. My opinion is that if you are pro peace you are automatically pro Russia, pro Ukraine or ideally both (I’m talking about the people and culture in it and not their leaders).

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              Again, if peace means another war as soon as putler has recovered - versus defeating the asshole as hard as possible - then it is advantageous to putler. So, arguing for peace at the moment, is arguing for the attackers advantage.

              Of course there will be peace. Once putler is defeated or preferably dead.

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                I am not arguing for Putin, I am arguing for the people in this war.

                But yes I see your point. Maybe NATO could threaten with nuclear war if Russia ever attacks anything again, but that won’t change the problem.

                I think the only way to stop Putin is with a revolution inside of Russia.

                Russia promised that they would be a democratic country but since Putin’s “democratic” elections that promise was broken.

                In my country we have a law inside the core of our basic lawbook that enables every institution and every human being living in the country to stop a dictatorship to arise by force because it is treated as self defense.

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        Ooh, big tough guy brave enough to be against peace and diplomacy in badly translated Ukrainian!

        Just for the record, I am not, nor have I ever been a “Russian warship” nor have I ever been on the side of the war criminal Putin.

        “You’re either with us and declare our warlike methods perfect or you’re with the enemy” was bullshit when Dubya said a simplified version of it in the early 2000s and it’s not any more true now.

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          The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.

          How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.

          The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich cunts here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.

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            The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.

            The translator detected it as Ukrainian, not my fault I don’t speak either language, contrary to your childish insinuations 🤷

            How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.

            I agree that it said a lot that I just calmy corrected you while lightly mocking your tough guy act rather than let your nonsense bother me.

            The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich cunts here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.

            You know that’s exactly what pro-Russian Ukrainians who are ACTUALLY cheering for Putin’s war say, right?

            Neither you, nor the victims of war nor the perpetrators of war get to decide what I think about war. That’s not how ideology works.

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              I’m not gonna do a quote war on a nice Saturday afternoon. I’ll just say this: fuck putin and fuck his dumb fucking war. If you disagree with that I hope you’ll come to your senses on your own, since I can’t force you