This is what Democrats need. For the younger generations to be the adults in the room. It’s been time for it a over a decade ago. They should have been preparing lines of succession during the Obama era.
It’s pointless posturing. Thanks to people not turning out to vote in 2022, the Republicans control the House. They’re not going to support this.
Kinda tired of this take. Corporations and the billionaires who control them have captured our democracy and they’re not going to support this either. But sure, darn those hypothetical and inevitably too-leftist non-voters!
Corporations aren’t suddenly going to stop being evil. You can sit around and blame them all you want, but that’s not going to change anything.
If a plane falls out of the sky, do you go around blaming gravity? It’s ultimately the cause, but doing so is pointless. Instead, you concentrate on the things that can be changed.
I think they want to get corporations out of government, not change the devil
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/
That’s not what the data says. Interestingly, Republicans didn’t vote more frequently than Dems.
Your own sources says that the 20% of people who voted in a previous election but not 2022 are mostly left leaning.
It also says
Citizens who did not vote in any of the three tilt Republican by 46% to 41%.
Who cares about those? If they don’t ever vote, they don’t matter. If the same people who had voted in 2020 showed up in 2022, we wouldn’t be in the situation we’re in.
Would it be legal for Biden to assassinate them? Asking for a friend.
Would it be legal for Biden to assassinate them? Asking for a friend.
I realize you’re likely being rhetorical, but in case you or any other users are actually curious, the fact of the matter is that criminal acts, including assassination, are not protected by presidential immunity. Here’s a breakdown:
Official Acts are things the President does as part of their job, like signing laws, directing the military, and managing foreign policy.
Criminal Acts are illegal activities, and they are not protected by presidential immunity. Assassination is definitely illegal and falls under this category.
The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee due process of law, meaning that the government cannot deprive anyone of “life, liberty, or property” without fair legal procedures and protections. Additionally, Executive Order 12333, explicitly prohibit the U.S. government from engaging in assassination.
In Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982): The case granted the President immunity from civil damages for official acts, but clarified that this doesn’t apply to everything a President does. Unofficial acts, like crimes, are not protected.
In Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952): The Supreme Court ruled that President Truman’s seizure of steel mills was unconstitutional. Even though it was for “official use” and it was for “the good of the country” it was nevertheless deemed not part of his presidential powers and therefore not covered.
Presidential immunity protects certain official actions, but it doesn’t cover illegal activities. Assassination would be an unofficial act and is definitely prosecutable.
Don’t ask for permission, ask for forgiveness.
And if you’re the president, forgive yourself.
Only in so much as the Supreme Court decides that it is “legal”.
So the details are that the Supreme Court left it open to interpretation as to what could be considered an “Official Act”. If the Supreme Court decides your murder spree is an “Official Act” you are good to go.
So if the Supreme Court Justices are conservative when Biden goes to trial, then yes, he can be found guilty.
I bet if you killed everyone on the court and in the legislature and replaced themb with your personal sycophants, they would probably agree it was an ‘official act’
That’s basically the entire republican plan. It’s all spelled out in Project 2025. Literally replacing the entire government with Trump loyalists, and military tribunals for anyone who cannot be directly fired and replaced. Trump has even said that Mitch McConnell is going to be tried in front of a military tribunal.
As a note here, military tribunal means no due process, and no defense. Just straight to the guilty verdict and death penalty.
Assassination is a good thought experiment because of this. It is literally up to “someone” to decide if X act was official.
And that someone will more than likely be the Supreme Court for a lot of things.
As much as I hate the political drama, Biden really needs to do something completely ridiculous to show everyone that this ruling isn’t sustainable.
He won’t though. And this shit will drag on and spiral with no checks.
he can be found guilty
It if they’re dead, tho…
Oh yeah, he could kill them all and then appoint a bunch of new very brave conservative justices.
It’s highly unlikely, but it’s funny to think about.
Only if he orders the CIA to do it, it’s a personal act if he does it himself
He could declare the new Department of No Malarkey, appointment himself Chief DeMalarkier, and then declare a Malarkey Ceasing Spree.
Listen here Jack!
I am Jack’s mathematically flawed voting system.
I get gerrymandered, I kill Jack.
Literally anything except getting rid of First Past The Post voting. Meat is back on the menu boys!
Yes
No, because if he did, he would appoint new justices that would strike down the “presidents are kings” ruling.
Cowabunga it is then
How are her feet so small??
Fuck everything that’s happening. I have nowhere else to fucking yell. I am so frustrated with the absolute stupidity and proud-ignorance in this world. Fuck!!!
Hang on to that aggression. Might need it later.
Like when you’re standing amongst some peers in front of a firing squad filled with fascist bootlickers.
(/s… Shit’s weird)
In the USA
No not only the USA. Here in europe people are mass voting for fascist parties and in germany even for straight up nazis.
Racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia are becoming very accepted in public among anyone on the right and nothing is being done about it.
The boost in support in the far right is concerning in Europe however it is also over reported and the media often fails to understand the political systems.
Most European countries have proportional representation.
In Germany AFD won 16% of the vote. They came joint second which made headlines but 16% is low. Worst case is they could conceivably join a coalition in a split Bundestag. But AFD are not currently realistically close to power.
In France, the far right was 33% of the vote, again making headlines and troubling. However that is in the first round. France has a second round where the 67% can coalesce around candidates. It’s troubling but the far right is not getting a majority in the French parliament, and it remains unlikely they would won the presidency as the left and centre out weigh them.
In the UK Reform is polling around the same level as the Conservatives at about 18%. In the UK’s system its first past the post so it looks like they’re get a few seats at most - literally 5 - put of 650 seats. The UK is looking very likely to elect a centre left party to power with a huge majority, mainly due to the implosion of the conservative party.
While these are all concerning and reflect lots of local trends, there is a huge difference with the US. In the US the republican party is viable for the presidency, the house and the senate and already hold the supreme court.
The US is in a far worse position than almost any European country when it comes to the extreme party being at the doors of power. Europe has much work to do, but the US is fucked because its much vaunted electoral system and constitution has been shown to be extremely weak and fatally flawed, and seems to be unfixable.
The reality is that fascists don’t need to win a popular majority to take power. German nazis never won more than 37% of the vote while there were still democratic elections in place. Once these people get in power they leverage the existing state apparatus to repress the rest of the population. As long as the regime has the support of the police and military, then it can wield power through force.
After World War I, Italy had settled into a pattern of parliamentary democracy. The low pay scales were improving, and the trains were already running on time. But the capitalist economy was in a postwar recession. Investments stagnated, heavy industry operated far below capacity, and corporate profits and agribusiness exports were declining.
To maintain profit levels, the large landowners and industrialists would have to slash wages and raise prices. The state in turn would have to provide them with massive subsidies and tax exemptions. To finance this corporate welfarism, the populace would have to be taxed more heavily, and social services and welfare expenditures would have to be drastically cut - measures that might sound familiar to us today. But the government was not completely free to pursue this course. By 1921 , many Italian workers and peasants were unionized and had their own political organizations. With demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, factory takeovers, and the forceable occupation of farmlands, they had won the right to organize, along with concessions in wages and work conditions.
To impose a full measure of austerity upon workers and peasants, the ruling economic interests would have to abolish the democratic rights that helped the masses defend their modest living standards. The solution was to smash their unions, political organizations, and civil liberties. Industrialists and big landowners wanted someone at the helm who could break the power of organized workers and farm laborers and impose a stern order on the masses. For this task Benito Mussolini, armed with his gangs of Blackshirts, seemed the likely candidate.
In 1922, the Federazione Industriale, composed of the leaders of industry, along with representatives from the banking and agribusiness associations, met with Mussolini to plan the “March on Rome,” contributing 20 million lire to the undertaking. With the additional backing of Italy’s top military officers and police chiefs, the fascist “revolution”- really a coup d’etat - took place.
In Germany, a similar pattern of complicity between fascists and capitalists emerged. German workers and farm laborers had won the right to unionize, the eight-hour day, and unemployment insurance. But to revive profit levels, heavy industry and big finance wanted wage cuts for their workers and massive state subsidies and tax cuts for themselves.
During the 1920s, the Nazi Sturmabteilung or SA, the brown shirted storm troopers, subsidized by business, were used mostly as an antilabor paramilitary force whose function was to terrorize workers and farm laborers. By 1930, most of the tycoons had concluded that the Weimar Republic no longer served their needs and was too accommodating to the working class. They greatly increased their subsidies to Hitler, propelling the Nazi party onto the national stage. Business tycoons supplied the Nazis with generous funds for fleets of motor cars and loudspeakers to saturate the cities and villages of Germany, along with funds for Nazi party organizations, youth groups, and paramilitary forces. In the July 1932 campaign, Hitler had sufficient funds to fly to fifty cities in the last two weeks alone.
In that same campaign the Nazis received 37.3 percent of the vote, the highest they ever won in a democratic national election. They never had a majority of the people on their side. To the extent that they had any kind of reliable base, it generally was among the more affluent members of society. In addition, elements of the petty bourgeoisie and many lumpenproletariats served as strong-arm party thugs, organized into the SA storm troopers. But the great majority of the organized working class supported the Communists or Social Democrats to the very end.
https://valleysunderground.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/blackshirts-and-reds-by-michael-parenti.pdf
Not all republicans are nazi or far right. That may be a small percentage of the republican voters.
Well, they’re not part of the solution so they might as well be part of the problem.
I feel like a lot of this is exported from America. There certainly seems to be some lag between the nonsense we see in the us and the rest of the world
It’s all the same oligarchy pulling the strings
This is because of tolerance. Those on the left teach and preach it. They turn their noses up. Act like it isn’t there, or avert their eyes and call it someone else’s problem.
Bluntly speaking: Y’all spineless up until there is no other choice.
Last year or so I’ve both heard and read far less of the “I can’t protest because I need this job/money/don’t have days off/[insert excuse here]”. The writing has been on the proverbial wall for quite some time, in big bold neon, blinking letters. When you all stop arguing with one another, and stop working hard to displace responsibility, many on the Left have proven they can actually read.
Yes, I’m a bit annoyed. For years, both online and off, I’ve been saying the same shit. Recently, I’ve begun to feel vindicated, and you know what? It fucking sucks.
Hold hands, it’s up to us now.
Good thing the same exact bullshit isn’t happening in Europe.
In the USA
For now, the rest of us are getting polluted by the right in the US, look at the European elections, hell look at how well bitcoin milhouse is doing up here… and I still have at least 30 years left on this ride
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I doubt Republicans will support this. Really it comes down to if Biden is going to use his newly gained “official” immunity and look like a dictator, or if Trump gets elected who will most definitely use a cover of immunity to target his political foes. Maybe this is Democrats attempt at we tried to be civil, but you gave us no other choice.
However, this doesn’t go far enough quick enough to revoke the latest decision by the Supreme Court. What the Supreme Court has done is actually told the Jan. 6 rioters that under a Trump presidency that a dictatorship is permitted. It doesn’t matter if they are impeached, replaced or the decision is reversed. Trump will do as he pleases and point to this moment and say “look, they said it was fine and Democrats didn’t respect the rule of law.”
comes down to [whether] Biden is going to use his newly gained “official” immunity and look like a dictator,
Trends indicate a strong no.
or [whether] Trump gets elected who will most definitely use a cover of immunity to target his political foes
Direct statements strongly indicate yes.
I can appreciate your frustration and I share that sentiment, but the Supreme Court changed nothing with the “immunity” decision. No one that follows legal procedure was surprised by this, and anyone claiming to be is either ignorant or is intentionally conflating the significance. Presidential immunity has been a thing for a long time and SCOTUS has changed nothing.
Oh really? Do you mind going ahead and sharing your law license? I’d like to ensure the person trying to give me advice right now is also an attorney.
There will be no 2028 election.
Plenty of dictators still have elections. Well, they call them elections at least.
So I guess it will at least be called an election.
This is the correct answer. GOP is already trying to capture enough secretary of state positions to ensure they always get 270 electoral votes.
Press freedom will be the first to go in that case.
You mean because the democrats will throw all the republicans contenders in prison?
I WISH they had the guts to throw all those traitors in jail
Exactly, you guys admit it and then pretend its the other guys doing it.
Did you take some kind of jujitsu class for trolls?
It’s funny cause the Republicans do try to do stuff like that but it usually ends up failing cause there’s nothing actually there for them to prosecute for. Look at the attempted Biden impeachment and how that floundered cause their only reason was basically well his son did bad things so that must mean Biden is connected to it. It’s almost like the reason it happens to Republicans so much and is successful is because they’re actually doing illegal stuff.
Joe seems to be corrupt as shit, and it would be great if they actually did real investigation like they did with russia. The problem is you guys dont listen to any sources that actually go over the evidence against him.
I mean id happily look at some sources but so far all I’ve heard about Biden is the stuff related to Hunter Biden which doesn’t matter as he doesn’t have a government job and from what I’ve seen he tried to tell people he could get access to his dad for them but he wasn’t really able to. And the other thing I’ve heard was his classified documents which the difference between him and Trump was that he notified the proper authorities that he had the documents and gave them all back while Trump didn’t and when confronted didn’t give everything back and had to be raided.
The top one that is most obvious (and pretty much what trump was impeached for) is that he got the prosecutor fired that had an open investigation on his son. And if you want a bunch more, start looking into all the stuff on the laptop and all of the unreported income. Then you can read the article “Biden Inc”.
The difference between the documents is that they said he was not competent to stand trial.
This has to be the dumbest shit I’ve seen anyone type in a long long time.
So dumb!
Mullahs gonna be mad… You would think corruption would be sufficient to remove a federal judge but apparently not in this timeine lol
Can’t even remove some of them for just being incompetent, like cannon in Florida.
Or malicious like the 5th circuit
This is the best summary I could come up with:
While Trump celebrated the ruling, many legal and political analysts sounded the alarm about its implications, with some arguing it places presidents above the law.
Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from New York, wrote early Monday afternoon that she would introduce articles of impeachment against the court in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Congress has the authority to impeach and convict Supreme Court justices, a key check on the judiciary’s power.
Only one justice has ever been impeached—Justice Samuel Chase in 1804 after Congress accused him of refusing to dismiss biased jurors and of excluding defense witnesses in two politically sensitive cases.
Even if Democrats were to support impeachment, it would likely face hurdles due to Republicans’ narrow control of the House of Representatives.
“Today’s Supreme Court decision to grant legal immunity to a former President for crimes using his official power sets a dangerous precedent for the future of our nation,” wrote House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.
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Even if Democrats were to support impeachment, it would likely face hurdles due to Republicans’ narrow control of the House of Representatives.
What I don’t understand is why wouldn’t every single democrat support this? What better case for impeachment is there than a court that flagrantly ignores the constitution and tries to turn the president into a king? It’s beyond the pale.
Because there are some Democrats that have held on to their seats for many many years and are too fucking scared to do anything “out of the norm” because they may lose their seat. There are also some Republicans that will state they don’t like the ruling but are also too afraid of the loss of their seat to actually do anything for the country the swore to protect.
Ultimately it comes down to the fact that there are not enough brave representatives in Congress and the Senate to take on this problem. They all talk a big talk but if their actions reduce the chances of their reelection then they are out.
There are also some Republicans that will state they don’t like the ruling but are also too afraid of the loss of their seat to actually do anything for the country the swore to protect.
Any Republican that supports impeaching a right wing Supreme Court justice (let alone 6 of them) is going to be committing career suicide. It would be handing vacancies to the Democrats to fill, and potentially locking in a left leaning court for decades.
Now, obviously they should be able to put the good of the country and the rule of law above things like partisan politics and their prospects for re-election. But we’ve already had several rounds of purges on the right that have wiped out anyone with principles or conscience since those things get in the way of being blindly loyal to Trump.
Being on the right side of history takes sacrifice, often enough. Cowards.
It’s time to format c: and start again
I’m so tired of this shit. It’s a spitting contest about who should be the winners and literally everyone has lost sight of things that matter. It’s time to do away with the parties and start new ones.
Well, yeah, but…
The US supreme Court basically just said corruption is okay, and them said that the president has complete immunity even if he murders his opponents or stages a coup.
At this point, democrat or republican doesn’t matter, this supreme court is corrupt and fucked, and also has to be done away.
Yeah, and what’s gonna be the process for replacing them? Democrat appointment since Biden gets to pick now? Just replace the whole fucking system already!
Mmm… empty performative gesturing from AOC.
Great, what are AOC’s plans afterwards? Is she planning to resign for voting to prevent the rail unions from striking yet?
Bout time.
