Because people complain either way. Some people have plugins that don’t work with archive.ph, so people complained about me not posting direct links. Given how easy it is to go to the archive and paste the link if you get a paywall, I really don’t get why people complain so much.
Personally, I for one would really appreciate it if you provided the archive link in the OP especially if you’re posting paywalled articles. When the OP is the one who does it, then all the readers who want to follow the link that the OP posted won’t have to, and the people who don’t even know about archive sites will still get to read it when they wouldn’t have otherwise (and maybe even learn about what archive sites are as a result). In that sense, it’s not about entitlement, it’s about one person doing it one time rather than (for example) 30 people all having to do it while others may not even be aware they can do it.
Another thing is that while it may be ultimately just a drop in the bucket, it does help cut down on the amount of traffic that mainstream western media sites will get, which I think you would agree is better than helping increase it for them. It’s for that reason that just as a reader browsing, I almost always archive any MSM news articles I read, including the ones I see in posts here. On the occasion I do post, I always make a point to link the archive or frontend (like piped/invidious for youtube, redlib for reddit, used to do nitter for twitter, etc.) It’s a very minor annoyance to have to do, as either the reader or as the poster, but I’m all the more appreciative of posters who do do it and wish that more would.
It’s not like you have to, but it would be courteous and considerate if you did.
That’s fair and I often do add archive when I know there’s a paywall. I’ve got a plugin that does a decent job of unpaywalling, so sometimes I don’t even notice it. So I agree with you that adding archived links is a courtesy, but people acting as if not posting a link at all would be better are just being unreasonable in my opinion. This is the plugin I mentioned incidentally
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Please learn to paste links into archive.ph nobody wants to see your whining.
Why not do that in the post body from the start so nobody has to
whinecomplain?Because people complain either way. Some people have plugins that don’t work with archive.ph, so people complained about me not posting direct links. Given how easy it is to go to the archive and paste the link if you get a paywall, I really don’t get why people complain so much.
Then just post both links?
how very entitled of you
Trying to help resolve the situation in the future is being entitled? Well okay, then sure I am entitled.
Asking people to do extra work when submitting links that you can trivially do yourself is in fact being entitled.
And in this case I’m proud to be entitled!
Personally, I for one would really appreciate it if you provided the archive link in the OP especially if you’re posting paywalled articles. When the OP is the one who does it, then all the readers who want to follow the link that the OP posted won’t have to, and the people who don’t even know about archive sites will still get to read it when they wouldn’t have otherwise (and maybe even learn about what archive sites are as a result). In that sense, it’s not about entitlement, it’s about one person doing it one time rather than (for example) 30 people all having to do it while others may not even be aware they can do it.
Another thing is that while it may be ultimately just a drop in the bucket, it does help cut down on the amount of traffic that mainstream western media sites will get, which I think you would agree is better than helping increase it for them. It’s for that reason that just as a reader browsing, I almost always archive any MSM news articles I read, including the ones I see in posts here. On the occasion I do post, I always make a point to link the archive or frontend (like piped/invidious for youtube, redlib for reddit, used to do nitter for twitter, etc.) It’s a very minor annoyance to have to do, as either the reader or as the poster, but I’m all the more appreciative of posters who do do it and wish that more would.
It’s not like you have to, but it would be courteous and considerate if you did.
That’s fair and I often do add archive when I know there’s a paywall. I’ve got a plugin that does a decent job of unpaywalling, so sometimes I don’t even notice it. So I agree with you that adding archived links is a courtesy, but people acting as if not posting a link at all would be better are just being unreasonable in my opinion. This is the plugin I mentioned incidentally
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome