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      I really don’t think it would have hurt to cast an Arab actor as Ra’s Al Ghul. And then you wouldn’t need a convoluted explanation like that.

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              Yes, again, you can come up with that convoluted after-the-fact explanation that wasn’t in the movie or you can not piss off Arab people.

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              For the same reason the excuse of a white character being named Mitsimu Hashimori is that it’s just a title being passed down is something people might find offensive.

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                I think artists can make whatever they want (within the bounds of the law) and that it’s up to the consumers to decide whether they like it or not with their wallets.

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                  When did this become about what people can do and not about whether or not they’re being highly offensive?

                  It is legal to make and distribute a movie where a guy just yells the N-word for 90 minutes. I assume you would find that offensive. Most people would.

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                    Right, so I wouldn’t watch it or give them money, and I’m sure you and most other people wouldn’t either. But if that person wants to make it, more power to them.

                    It’s been about that the entire thread. The OP image is about casting choices.

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        Ghassan Massoud (the guy that played Saladin in Kingdom of Heaven) would have been perfect

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      No, I don’t thinking would work since his daughter’s called Thalia Al Ghul, indicating Al Ghul is a family name.

      Also,we don’t need to make up apologies for whitewashing.

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        1. He literally says 'we have been around for 1000 years and since Nolanverse is devoid of any fantastical elements, passing the torch is the only possible explanation.

        2. Her name is Talia Al Ghul from Doylist perspective but not from Watsonian.

        For all we know, she doesn’t have any last name/family name in-universe and uses the alias of Miranda when she’s globetrotting for a bit of terrorism.

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          1. He literally says 'we have been around for 1000 years and since Nolanverse is devoid of any fantastical elements, passing the torch is the only possible explanation.

          I always thought he meant the League of Shadows, not a single position.

          1. Her name is Talia Al Ghul from Doylist perspective but not from Watsonian.

          She calls Ra’s Al Ghul her father. It may be an interpretation that Al Ghul is a name, but so is the title interpretation. And imho the name is far less of a stretch.

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            Yes. He is referring to League of Shadows. However, very early in the movie he says “If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely” so it seems obvious in hindsight that this applies to Ra’s as well as if applies to Batman.

            Hell, I always thought Ken Watanabe was Ra’s Al Ghul and the title passed on to Liam Neeson after the former died.

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              However, very early in the movie he says “If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely” so it seems obvious in hindsight that this applies to Ra’s as well as if applies to Batman.

              But that doesn’t mean Henri Ducard became a Ra’s Al Ghul or Ra’s Al Ghul became the League of Shadows. It’s like a religious thing, like christians consider themselves reborn after baptism.

              Hell, I always thought Ken Watanabe was Ra’s Al Ghul and the title passed on to Liam Neeson after the former died.

              I can see where you’re coming from, I’d expect some quote like “I am Ra’s Al Ghul now” or something.

              Again, I can see your interpretation, but I think Ra’s Al Ghul simply being a name is far less a stretch and requires fewer assumptions.