• oberstoffensichtlich
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      In Gaza there are only temporary evacuations of civilians from dangerous areas. This is not only legal but required under international humanitarian law.

      Gazans are not expelled from their land. Quite the opposite, they aren’t allowed to leave the Gaza strip, besides a small fraction.

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        If you raze their towns making them effectively uninhabitable and then declare those zones “a war zone” while you also block any effort to reconstruct and allow people to occupy those territories, you’re expelling them from their land.

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            Then you shouldn’t mind of Israelites were forced to uproot and move to another part of Israel in order to respect the border as it was agreed back when the State was created, right? I mean, Israelites being forcibly moved inside Israel shouldn’t be a problem if it’s not a problem to do the same thing to Gazans…

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        In Gaza there is only temporary evacuations forced displacement of civilians from dangerous areas their homes. This is not only illegal but required under international humanitarian law as a war crime

        There, fixed it for you.

        Gazans are not constantly expelled from their land

        In fact, almost all Palestinians in Gaza have been forcibly displaced

        they aren’t allowed to leave the Gaza strip

        True, but not a good thing. The Israeli apartheid regime is basically moving Gazans around inside an open air prison in between the murder and the theft and destruction of those things necessary for people to live.

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          Instead of making up international humanitarian law in your head, you could read it.

          https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule24

          Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.

          https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule129

          Rule 129.

          A. Parties to an international armed conflict may not deport or forcibly transfer the civilian population of an occupied territory, in whole or in part, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.

          B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand

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            Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.

            That’s NOT what Israel is doing. They’re constantly DIRECTING military force at civilians

            B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand

            Weird that you’d include this in DEFENSE of Israel since that’s what they’re constantly doing. Hell, sometimes they’ll even force civilians into a so-called “safe zone” and then bomb that area!

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              I’m including it because you seem to utterly unaware of international law.

              Israel has attacked military objectives in safe zones. That is legal under international law. Hamas putting their weapons depots and operating bases in areas protected under international humanitarian law is a war crime. Attacking these is not a war crime.

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                I’m including it because you seem to utterly unaware of international law.

                Is it opposite day already? Or just the Zionist Day of Projection, which is every day that ends in a y?

                Israel has attacked military objectives in safe zones

                A zone is by definition not safe if it contains a military objective. That’s so obvious that it’s frankly embarrassing for both of us that I have to point it out to you.

                That is legal under international law

                Would be if it wasn’t horseshit. The IDF claims phantom militants everywhere they bomb. In the vast majority of cases, there’s no legitimate military target.

                Hamas putting their weapons depots and operating bases in areas protected under international humanitarian law

                According to the IDF, an organization synonymous with concocting falsehoods to excuse deliberate targeting of civilians.

                is a war crime

                Even if they WEREN’T lying about there being Hamas bases there, bombing a hospital or a school or a refugee camp would STILL be a war crime.

                Nobody’s forcing Israel to kill civilians. Israel is TARGETING civilians, with the “bases” made up afterwards and never proven to exist in the vast majority of cases.

                Attacking these is not a war crime.

                Yes, it most certainly is. Forgetting for a second that there’s hardly ever any hostiles there, bombing civilians is a war crime.

                Imagine for a second that, unbeknownst to you, the guy who lives in the apartment below yours is a terrorist. Would that make it acceptable for your government to reduce the entire block to rubble, killing you and every other civilian in the process?

                I say no, and so does international law.

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                  Please read the law and stop embarrassing yourself.

                  If Israel designates a protected/safe (there’s more detail to this) zone, then it’s a war crime of Hamas to move a military objective into it. The military objective inside a safe zone does not enjoy protection.

                  A hospital loses its protected status once it’s used for military purposes.

                  https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule10

                  Rule 10. Civilian objects are protected against attack, unless and for such time as they are military objectives.

                  Rule 25. Medical personnel exclusively assigned to medical duties must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their protection if they commit, outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy.

                  Hiding military operations under the red or Red Crescent is a war crime.

                  Rule 59. The improper use of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions is prohibited.

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                    Please read the law and stop embarrassing yourself.

                    I could say the same to you, but your reading comprehension and willingness to embarrass yourself to excuse Apartheid and genocide seem to be inversely proportional.

                    I’ll not be engaging further as you are clearly arguing in bad faith, incapable of understanding any information that doesn’t conform with the Hasbara gaslighting you spread like an infection, or both.

                    Have the day you deserve.

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            Right, and nobody else will be motivated to attack Israelis after coming home to an obliterated home with their dead family inside.

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            Right, and obviously you think there’s no cost or trauma associated with it, so when Hamas does the same thing in Israel your reaction is “Houses can be rebuilt”, right?