George Will has endorsed Kamala Harris for president. Watch out for flying pigs. The ultra-conservative, and baseball fan, comes to his decision reluctantly. He sees the need to dump Trump. His endorsement of Harris shows a clear lack of enthusiasm,...
  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    411·
    2 months ago

    Do you have an actual argument,or do you just scream “trumper!” at anyone to the left of George Will and Dick Cheney?

    • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      63·
      2 months ago

      What this poster and others like it miss, dear reader, is the truth being shown them. It must be nice to not have any concerns that might be harmed by harming the opposition to the Leopards Eat Your Face party, despite so many other people being harmed by the Leopards Eat Your Face party. We can’t know which faction this particular poster belongs to, but we should keep in mind that there are three major factions that are pushing the ‘don’t vote for the guys who will save you from the Leopards Eat Your Face party’:

      • The faction that honestly doesn’t believe that harming the Democrats will get us Trump and somehow their choice for the Green party or whatever will actually win.
      • The faction that embraces letting Republicans run the show because somehow, in their stupid, convoluted brains, it’ll break the Duopoly of power between Team Blue and Team Pepe without resulting in a single-party dictatorship and eventually Greens will win.
      • The faction that actually supports Republicans and Authoritarianism and are looking to use the fact that we must fall in love to vote for a candidate to split our vote so Republicans win and they get the single-party Authoritarian dictatorship they want, and can get to the business of grinding Democrats, Socialists, Left-Libertarians, Greens, and other left-of-centre ideology followers under their authoritarian jackboot-heels.

      We can’t know what faction THIS poster belongs to, and even if we did and could convincingly prove so, Rule 3 would prevent us from calling out members of the third faction anyway, but keep in mind that there ARE people out there who want to make you throw your vote away so America can be conquered by Russian- and Chinese-style Authoritarianism.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        38·
        2 months ago

        Oh christ. The party has moved so far to the right, Dick Cheney and George Will are on board.

        Pointing that out is “Hurting the party”? Give me a fucking break. Not everyone who isn’t as delighted that the Democratic Party moves to the right is the Russian Chinese Bot you walked right up to the line of accusing me of being in order to not get your comment removed by the mods.

        • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
          42·
          2 months ago

          It’s more like the Republican party has moved so far to the extreme that other party members are endorsing the opposition party candidate because they recognize who the lesser of two evils is.

          Kamala is a shift to the left from Biden. You should be fucking happy.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            2 months ago

            Kamala is a shift to the left from Biden. You should be fucking happy.

            Oh? We’re already going with the “most progressive evar” label with Harris too?

            Her policies on fracking, immigration, and Gaza are identical to Biden’s.

        • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          42·
          2 months ago

          Here’s another thing this poster misses in its rant.

          Dick Cheney and George Will are not on board our party for our policy. Both have made it clear that there are major policy disagreements between them and the Democratic Party, but they have said that the other party is so dangerous, they felt it necessary to both vote for AND endorse our party. They’ve said so much in almost so many words!

          Dick Cheney

          In our nation’s 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump. He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He can never be trusted with power again.

          As citizens, we each have a duty to put country above partisanship to defend our Constitution. That is why I will be casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.

          George Will

          The restoration of normal politics will require two things: The removal of Donald Trump — that Krakatau of volcanic, incoherent, fact-free bombast — from public life. And the rekindling of an irrepressible conflict.

          It is between progressivism, of which Kamala Harris is full to overflowing, and actual conservatism, about which Trump is contemptuous.

          Cheney is circumspect about it, but if you read eep enough, you can see he’s not voting for Harris, but against Trump. Meanwhile, George Will makes it clear – he’s NOT a friend of Kamala Harris or Progressivism. He’s just anti-Trump and wants Trump out of his political sphere.

          No. The party of cancelling Student Loan Debt is not right-wing by Trump measures, and that’s not why GOP Alums are moving to the Dems. The only reason they’re endorsing us is they, like me, believe that the GQP as it currently stands is an existential threat to the USA.

          I play the game by the rules the Mods have established. It is a fact that Russia is stoking divisions and interfering with our election in order to get the Authoritarian Trump party elected so they may get to the business of crushing democracies in their orbit without Western interference. And they have a variety of tools with which to do it. Nothing this poster says changes that fact. If the poster feels called out by me pointing out that there are Russian influence operations, as well as Chinese and Iranian operations, well, all I can tell the poster is sucks to be him. Maybe reconsider his tone and goal here, in this election where outside bad-faith actors are trying to get us to install an Authoritarian Dictator for their own Authoritarian Dictators’ goals?

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            35·
            2 months ago

            Cheney is circumspect about it, but if you read eep enough, you can see he’s not voting for Harris, but against Trump. Meanwhile, George Will makes it clear – he’s NOT a friend of Kamala Harris or Progressivism. He’s just anti-Trump and wants Trump out of his political sphere.

            Keep moving right. I’m sure they’ll come around. Not like any of you need encouragement.

            • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              53·
              2 months ago

              I suspect ‘right’ to this poster means anything left of the Buddha. Really big words for someone who can’t get even a quarter of the country to own any left-wing labels. ;)

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                34·
                2 months ago

                The party is supporting an ongoing genocide, and has adopted Republican border policy and support for fracking. The Biden administration openly brags about having the greatest oil production of any administration, as though that’s not something to be ashamed of. That’s what I consider moving to the right. And what centrists consider a good start.

                • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  34·
                  2 months ago

                  No, dear reader, the party is supporting an ally that we swore we’d protect from a variety of hostile nations who have sworn to wipe Israel off the map. Houthi rebels attacked inside of Israel in the past 24 hours. And this is not a left vs. right thing as much as it is a foreign policy issue that’s being exploited by bad actors trying to divide the Left and unify the Right so they can get their authoritarian friends installed.

                  Again. Most Americans, especially those who vote reliably, are far more concerned about cost of living than whether or not we let more foreigners live here or whether or not we spank Israel for their misadventures in Palestine. You want to reduce oil production? And do what? Russia’s oil production was curtailed severely after its invasion of Ukraine and that resulted in a massive surge of energy costs world wide. You need to cut oil consumption if you want to cut oil production, and we’ve already seen that voters in the USA are willing to punish any party that cuts production for political purposes if it harms them at home. This poster’s idea of cutting oil production will get Republicans elected, which will harm everything this it says it supports. That’s my point in all of this.

                  Interesting questions to think about:

                  • This poster and its ilk are constantly talking about Palestine and how evil Israel is, but never how they plan on making it so that Israel isn’t run roughshod over by its neighbours. Why is that?
                  • Why don’t they hold Hamas as accountable for this as Israel? I mean, Hamas WAS the aggressor and technically this is a defensive war by Israel…
                  • This poster and its ilk focus so heavily on Palestine. What about Ukraine, who is also being brutally invaded and subject to atrocities?
                  • Republicans have said that they plan on empowering Israel to wipe out Hamas, whatever it takes, and allow Israel to subjugate Palestine, no matter what the locals want.
                  • Republicans have said that they are going to withdraw military support to Ukraine. This will allow Ukraine to be steamrolled by Russia in short order. Do these people who advocate voting third party or staying home think that Ukraine doesn’t deserve to exist?
                  • And above all, how does this poster and its ilk justify getting Democrats thrown out of office through non-voting or third-party voting when we know that the Republicans have a plan for everyone, that includes stopping all left-wing voters from ever voting again.