• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Remember when ex SOS Hillary Clinton asked why America let Palestine hold an election? And why we didn’t make sure that we already knew who the winner was before letting them?

    She was talking about this agency fixing the election

    Current SOS Blinken is also super pro-Israel and as SOS has control of this agency.

    So while it’s “good” at what it does (stamping out democracies) what it does is not “good”.

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      6 months ago

      This agency that has zero foreign assets or any function beyond analyzing raw intelligence gathered by other agencies? They were going to fix an election?

      Did you read the article? Ham-handedly manipulating foreign elections is clearly stated as within the jurisdiction of the CIA.

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        Bruh…

        The INR was literally created to be the oversight to the CIA and other intelligence agencies…

        They report directly to SoS and are featured heavily in the presidents daily briefings…

        Are they the ones stuffing ballot boxes?

        No, because they’re a higher level than that. They advise on where to stuff the ballot boxes, what gets stuffed into them, and the amount that gets stuffed.

        Like, you’re acting like all they do is book reports, they’re an instrumental part of how America controls other countries.

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        6 months ago

        Sure

        Regarding the election, in which Hamas beat Fatah by 74 to 45 seats, Clinton said “I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”

        https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Recording-released-of-Clinton-suggesting-rigging-2006-Palestinian-election-471129

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            6 months ago

            Wait…

            You’re not disputing that Hillary casually said we should have rigged a foreign election?

            You wanted a source that when the Secretary of the State said “we” she meant the state department?

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                6 months ago

                Your original statement is not supported.

                I’m legitimately trying to help here…

                But you need to tell me what you’re actually asking for.

                Do you need Hillary explicitly saying she wanted the INR (the intelligence agency she controlled when making the statement) because if she meant something like the CIA then somehow her comments aren’t a big deal?

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                    6 months ago

                    that

                    Why can’t you just say what you mean?

                    She said:

                    And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.

                    She literally said “we” should have rigged the election…

                    While in a discussion about the actions of the State department…

                    That’s what rigging an election means, determining who would win it rather than letting the votes determine it.

                    The only way I can possibly think you have a valid compliant, is if you’re saying that her “we” meant American intelligence agencies in general (no idea how that makes a difference) and not “we” as the head of the state department meaning the state department and their own intelligence agency…

                    And if your argument is that pedantic, it makes sense why you won’t just say it, but not why you keep replying.