You might be surprised to learn you can be booted off a flight for your attire, hygiene or odor.

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    2 months ago

    This can get you booted off a flight no matter whose stupid face is on it. Plus he refused to comply with the attendant’s request to flip his shirt inside out, so he blew his second chance.

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      Ugh you just know he’d be a nightmare passenger anyway. Wearing that shirt says he’s looking to piss people off and start fights.

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        The outrage is definately the point. All the way up there ladder.

        The little guys get to exert their will on their fellow man, the bigger the reaction, the bigger the sense of power. It’s an issue of self esteem.

        Meanwhile, the man depicted gets forcibly implanted into your consciousness. You’re forced to pay attention to them. Much like a childs tantrum or someone standing in front of the TV.

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      2 months ago

      It is sad this article grazes over the fact that the middle finger on it. They try to make it sound like it was because of Trump.

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    2 months ago

    the shirt says “hawk tuah, spit on that thing” and has trump doing the two middle fingers gesture….
    i think it being trump has zero to do with why he was kicked off.

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    This article is awful. It keeps asking the same question, “If a shirt is over the line, what else can they take from us?” But when the author repeatedly stumbles on the answer, they pivot back to questioning how a private business runs itself like they don’t see the obvious answer.

    Why not stick to the safe operation of the flight as the main criteria rather than saying that not wearing a shirt inside out is “not complying with the directions of airline staff?” If it displays profanity then a quiet word may be a better solution, but Delta and all airlines will need to make it much clearer what is acceptable to wear on their flights when selling tickets.

    The man was wearing a Trump shirt. Folks who wear that merch outside are both erratic and lack social awareness to self monitor in stressful situations. Now put that flight into a problematic scenario and ask yourself “is that someone that can reliably handle the pressure to help others without adding risk?”

    Delta chose to deboard the passenger when they didn’t comply with a request. Refusing the request is a litmus test for general helpfulness and he failed.

    • BrikoX@lemmy.zipOPM
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      2 months ago

      Not exactly true. There are by law protected groups that can’t be refused the service just because they belong to that group.

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        2 months ago

        You make it sound like it’s some kind of Trump shirt that wasn’t intentionally offensive. If that shit was an image of some other douche, he would have also been asked to leave as well.

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          I haven’t said anything about the t-shirt. My comment was a direct response to:

          A business has a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

          Which is not true.

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          That reason can’t be discriminatory, even on its face. And in some cases, like under ADA in US or EAA in EU, the requirements are even stricter. But yes, if the reason provided is not discriminatory or etherwise regulated by law, then they can refuse the service. But they can’t refuse for “any reason”.

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    2 months ago

    To be fair this dudes t-shirt had Trump giving the middle finger. They try to turn this into political gasoline but in reality it could of been any person on the shirt. The problem is the offensive gesturing.

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        Is that the bar for what should be disallowed on planes? By your logic I should be able to bring an airhorn and spray fart spray down the aisles.

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          As opposed to the bar of being kicked off a commercial airline over Bart Simpson “eat my shorts” merchandise.

          By your logic

          Nothing sensible has ever followed these words. It’s incredible. “This you?” never misses, and “by your logic” is always total nonsense.

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    Nah, this is stupid.

    It’s a fucking t-shirt. It’s not a threat. I don’t care what’s written on it.

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      It’s a fucking t-shirt. It’s not a threat. I don’t care what’s written on it.

      1. “can you put it on a t-shirt” was a specific point in the DeCSS “free speech” case
      2. thus, hate on a shirt is hate speech
      3. everything this icon stands for is hate in some form
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        Why should I care? It’s a shirt.

        Are you citing-- DRM? The fucking DVD decryption case? That’s not even almost relevant. Jesus, should people get booted off an aircraft for having bootleg Mickey Mouse merchandise?

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    A traveler can be removed when their: “conduct, attire, hygiene or odor creates an unreasonable risk of offense or annoyance to other passengers.”

    I mean, i have no sympathy from Trump or his supporters but… seriously? Your odor offends me, i want you out of the airplane… 'Muricaaaaaa! Land of the free…

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        The amount of reek would have to be astronomical… if all passengers in the vicinity couldn’t bear the smell, i guess… but what if you have a condition that makes you reek?

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          If it’s a medical condition that produces a stench that showering, perfumes and bandages cannot cover up then you’d have to request special accommodation and book a row to yourself.

          Not many can stand a guy on a flight with them looking at people trying to start a fight all the time, so it’s in that same category of astronomical annoyance.

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          Please tell me the condition that makes you reek? The bullshit condition?

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            Its rare but there’s at least one genetic disorder that causes your sebum to smell strongly of rotting fish.

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      The government isn’t the one kicking people off, it’s a private for-profit business. If you stink up an entire airplane then yes dude, you need to take your ass home and get in the shower. Why should 100 people be forced to deal with your poor hygiene and lack of common decency? If it’s B.O. because of a legitimate health issue then that’s one thing, but it almost never is. Lazy, gross-ass, motherfuckers.

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      Seems completely reasonable, and I doubt it’s a US only thing.