• EleventhHour@lemmy.world
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    my mom believes that we’re being “invaded” by illegals. i said, “stop using that term. it’s offensive and racist.”

    “that’s what they are. they broke the law,” she shot back.

    “and you’re offensive and racist. and i suppose that means you’re an illegal, too, since you jaywalked earlier?” I replied.

    “illegal immigrants are felons!” she shouted at me.

    “like Trump? so, he’s a 34-times illegal, then? and you’re voting for him?”

    “that’s different!” she screamed

    there’s no reasoning with these people

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      You can’t reason people out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into

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        Third generation draft dodger.

        His grandfather escaped Germany so he didn’t get drafted for WWI.

        All in the family.

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          To give Ivan some credit, his title is so old that it originally meant something more like Ivan the Terri_fying_

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      It’s my understanding that illegally entering the country is a misdemeanor, and illegally reentering the country is a felony. It is an amplifying action for a huge number of other felonies though. Am I wrong? 8* Usc section 1325 vs 8 Usc section 1326.

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      Not all laws are just.

      I was on a grand jury once and most of the charges were for marijuana. I tried to convince the jury we should nullify, because sending teenagers to jail for pot is cruel. No one took me up on this. (A grand jury is simple majority, and the defense has no role in the proceedings. Side note: every time a cop isn’t indicated it’s because the prosecutor didn’t want to.)

      There was a little old white lady who sat behind me on the jury. She said well that’s the law and if it’s bad we should change it. Fine, I said. But imagine it’s 1950 and you’re on a trial for a black man who sat at an all white’s counter. Would you indict? Would that be the right thing to do?

      She went, “oh… mm I don’t know”. And I don’t think she meant because of peer pressure or imagining she only had the perspective of a white person from the 50s. I think she was just a very Lawful-Neutral person.

      Anyway. The point I was trying to get at is a lot of people have garbage moral reasoning.