I’ve noticed that there isn’t a single Lemmy community, Mbin magazine etc. for Fediverse memes.
Is that because 99.9% of the Threadiverse came directly from Reddit, almost all Lemmy communities and *bin magazines are outposts of subreddits, and Reddit doesn’t meme the Fediverse because hardly anyone on Reddit knows the Fediverse in the first place?
Is it, in addition, because especially Lemmy is too detached from the rest of the Fediverse to know what’s memeable and to really understand memes about the Fediverse outside Lemmy?
Or is it simply because Fediverse memes go into other, more general communites/magazines where they simply drown in the flood of other threads?
I mean, I barely see any memes about the Fediverse anywhere on Mastodon. That may be either because your typical Mastodonian is not cut from meme-maker wood, or your typical Mastodonian doesn’t know enough about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, or next to nobody hashtags their meme posts. so they’re impossible to find.
And so I thought that this is more common in the Threadiverse, seeing as how meme-happy Reddit is.
to be fair there isn’t that much about the fedi in general that you can meme about. the closes you can get are in jokes but:
a) lemmy doesnt have them because this place is uncreative and only serves as a dumping ground from memes from other places when they aren’t bickering about politics
b) in jokes of different parts of fedi do not translate well just because they share a protocol, given the extremely little overlap on people here
c) they’re not really “fediverse memes” just because they happened in the fediverse, are they
Oh you could absolutely meme about the protocol itself and the way it is implemented. lots of potential there.
most people on lemmy do not understand the tradeoffs both activitypub and it’s implementors do, as evidenced by this exact community we’re in. these memes wouldn’t gain any traction even if they were funny to their intended audience (which i have doubts on if it’s possible to do but idk i’m not creative enough)
There is still some material
Here’s some stuff that I’d meme about:
Granted, I guess almost all of this will fly even over most c/Fediverse users’ heads due to how detached Lemmy is from the rest of the Fediverse. But I don’t really expect that many more Mastodon users to understand it, and those who do may be offended. Oh well.
What’s up with the android beef? I hadn’t heard about that one 😅
They just coexist and don’t want to merge, leading to every article getting posted twice
Yes I think memes can only arise when your community has enough lore and stories that people love to tell again and again. Eventually this will be the case here too !
I just posted one on !fediverselore@lemmy.ca , reception was mixed ha ha
id argue none of those are fun topics you can joke about but “memes as a form of outrage” (aside from, like, two) which is already a problem (see all the political memes on any of the meme communities for countless examples) we do not need to encourage imo
Let’s give it a try
Well that is just like… your opinion man. Also i think that utopia looks kinda shit like dubai but with flying taxis.
World made it easy for tons of people to onboard onto lemmy. If there were no instances that made it easy for all the reddit refugees to find a home, it would be a lot emptier here imo. And of course people create communities on their instance.
I think it is a good thing that lemmy.world is huge, in my non programmer mind, it will prepare lemmy better for the next wave of new users, maybe that will be the time to onboard them onto different instances.
Thanks for all the memes though!
Agreed
There are two main issues with centralization on LW:
A detailed thread on !fedigrow@lemm.ee that discusses the issue: https://lemmy.world/post/14728407
Agreed, and as I always say, I think they do a quite good job overall. At the same time, it would be better if communities could move away from LW as well, for reasons stated above
To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.
Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.
And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.
The issue is that new joiners are probably going to move to LW, as most of the users and communities are there, and they might not completely get how federation works. So then LW would become even more centralized, in a chicken and egg way.
That’s why I’m advocating for moving communities now, then the whole thing is more balanced.
That would be ideal, but Lemmy development usually takes time, and we should always be ready to have an influx of new users. Solving the issue ourselves has a higher and faster change of success than wait for the devs to update it, release it and then wait for all instances to upgrade.
Talking about upgrades, LW plans to skip 0.19.5 as their upgrades are always so impactful due to their size and the centralization of communities there, preventing a third of the Lemmy users to use new features.
Communities can already be migrated at the moment. I moved !casualconversation@lemmy.world to !casualconversation@lemm.ee, left a pinned post on the old one, locked it, and everyone moved to the new one smoothly (we even have more activity now than back then).
I sometimes feel like some people in the LW staff are reluctant to close some of their communities, even if unmanaged, and that prevents communities on other instances from really getting popular.
Maybe enough people will recommend different instances this time? I wanted to sign up at .ml originally, but they didn’t accept anything, lots of people recommended world. I think it was also on top of the join-lemmy site and the shuffling came later but i might remember that wrong. I didn’t want to join an instance with a country code and also not a niche instance dedicated to a topic that i am not all that interested in (computers, startrek, furries, lgbtq…).
That issue is not being solved if nobody even realize it’s there or is just being swept under the rug until it comes up with the next wave!?
All of us who are already on board can leave for a cutting edge instance. I think it’s a good thing that they want to keep world stable and take their time.
What, like automatically transfer subscribers (and hopefully posts at some point) etc? I thought everybody needs to be on board and then do it manually?
As they should be, not just delete some community because some user claimed it was dead and unmoderated (like i saw you do recently with a community which had an active user as admin ;). If they just deleted those communities i guess you’d go at them again with the power trip accusations.
Variation
spoiler
Found on !memes@lemmy.ml
Let’s try this here before it gets its own post somewhere.
That is, I have a growing suspicion that even here in a community that specialises in the Fediverse, hardly anyone can relate to it, and out in the meme communities, nobody will even understand it.
Ah, that’s Mastodon’s main dev, right?
Yup.