Everyone here is right about this still being neck and neck.
That said, let’s also take 2 seconds to acknowledge that Harris has kind of been killing it over the last 3-4 weeks. She took over that campaign apparatus and moved with urgency, precision, and polish. Moreover, she’s not taking her opponent’s bate.
He, his family, his cabinet, and the entire Dem leadership knew the day after his debate. Everything else was obfuscation so they didn’t send public perception of the party into a tail spin while they circled the wagons. All the talk of “everyone still supports Biden 100%” was BS and anyone paying attention knew it.
Refusing to allow Palestinian-American to speak and “The most lethal military” has and will continue to cost her with the antiwar and posesses basic human decency demographic.
She might still win. But historically moving to the right has only lost layup elections for democrats.
Trying to appeal to people that spend most of the day on the internet trying to find a reason not to vote isn’t a winning strategy.
If you’re fine with Trump winning, you don’t actually care about Palestinians, you only care about putting on a performance about caring about Palestinians for an internet audience. There’s no way for a political campaign to have success by appealing to people that have this level of internet brained irrationality.
The “not committed” people decided to remove themselves from the equation, which has resulted in their concerns not being a factor in this election. If the point is to only express anger on the internet (and not accomplish any change) then congratulations, you have someone else to be angry on the internet over. Like most anger on the internet it will be heavily monetized and make some people a lot of money. But they aren’t ever going to have success trying to appease people that profit off of expressing anger. Whatever they do won’t be good enough because there’s a profit motive to this anger.
I don’t understand your logic here. Declaring yourself “uncommitted” is the only leverage you have over a party that wants your vote. Telling them “I’m gonna vote for you but I won’t like it!” sounds the exact same to them as “I’m gonna vote for you and I love you!”. Once they have your vote guaranteed, they no longer have to address your concerns. This movement is targeting democrats because they are perceived as more susceptible to this kind of pressure (anti genocide). However, the pressure has to be applied to have a chance of success.
It’s foreign policy. Israel and Palestine was the most complex foreign policy issues in the world before October 7. Now it’s even worse. Joe Biden is working hard on a ceasefire. But he’s trying to get Netanyahu (who’s an incompetent fraudster not all that different from Trump) to make an agreement with Hamas which just made the architect of October 7 their leader. Most people understand this isn’t something that’s going to be easy.
But to the “uncommitted” he’s “Genocide Joe” and he’s complicit in war crimes. Companies that do any business in Israel? Also complicit. Universities that do business with companies that do business in Israel? Also complicit. I saw an article the other day that was saying Radiohead is somehow complicit for playing a gig in Israel a decade ago.
So you’re telling me that there’s something Kamala Harris (who is Vice President in Joe Biden’s administration) can do that will not make her complicit from the perspective of the “Genocide Joe” crowd? This is the problem when activists let their emotions run wild to the extent they no longer capable of any kind of compromise. There is nothing anyone can do to appease the most vocal in that group. There are many subs on this site where you get insta-banned if you deviate from the “Genocide Joe” rhetoric for even a second. People in this crowd don’t want to understand any nuance or hear anything other then expression of hatred towards Israel. The pro-Palestine crowd has become such an impenetrable bubble that Harris is more likely to convince every single MAGA to vote for her before she gets people in the pro-Palestine bubble to vote for her.
That movement has gone too far down a path of hatred to be able to engage in a positive way. It’s to the point now that I don’t feel like the goal is to actually help Palestinians, but it now seems to be mostly about hating Israel and playing a game degrees of separation from Israel to determine if someone is with the “evil Israelis”.
Bottom line, Kamala Harris isn’t going to get many votes from the “Genocide Joe” crowd no matter what she does.
But take heart, none of these protests ever meant anything anyway. Just not how foreign policy works. The most likely scenario is the “Genocide Joe” you hate will eventually bring an end to the conflict, which is exactly what would’ve happened without the protests. It’s only if Trump wins and Biden isn’t able to negotiate a ceasefire before Trump takes office will your protest have had an effect. And that effect will be an extreme negative for Palestinians. Nothing good ever comes from hatred and nothing good will come for Palestinians by hating Israel and Joe Biden and everyone associated with them. But likely Harris will win without you and your protest will have accomplished nothing, which is better than the alternative where your protest made things worse for Palestinians.
All you have is hatred. Now you’ve resorted to insulting me. Your hatred has made you incapable of having a conversation. You’ve removed yourself from political discourse because of an inability to have conversations without being overpowered by hatred.
Try harder to think about what you want to accomplish and how to best go about accomplishing it. You’re not being effective right now. Consider what you can do to actually be effective. Refusing to vote, refusing to discuss anything, throwing around insults doesn’t help anyone in Gaza.
As unlikely as it is cuz chump is historically shit. But possible that Harris loses. Should that happen. I hope you remember this post.
Because it woulda been real easy to turn this coinflip into a landslide. Let a genocide victim speak at the DNC and use the Lehey Law to embargo the Occupation. Cut off the bombs.
That’s it. Democrats would have locked in both houses and the presidency for a generation or more. Instead of taking a victory lap right now you’re here fingerwagging like the good little liberal you are.
Does AIPAC give you headpats or something? I know they’re not paying you. I’m not a liberal. So I’m not dumb enough to believe that. But what do you get out of being a volunteer amateur propagandist for a genocidal bloodthirsty empire?
Don’t answer that. I don’t actually care. My start and finish line is genocide. If you support it in any way, I dont support you under any circumstances. Nothing else matters. Because that’s the cliff of morality. If you’re OK with it anywhere happening to anyone youd be ok with it here, happening to your neighbors. And that makes you less than human and not worth my time. (You owe me $5 for this reality check btw)
As unlikely as it is cuz chump is historically shit. But possible that Harris loses. Should that happen. I hope you remember this post.
Why? Because a small group of people that never would’ve voted for Harris because of her association with “Genocide Joe” wound up not voting for Harris?
Does AIPAC give you headpats or something?
And there it is: An antisemitic conspiracy theory. You can’t even have a conversation with someone on the issue without devolving to to the “Jewish puppet master” conspiracies within three replies. Yeah I’m sure a woman married to a Jew was going to be able get your vote somehow.
Antisemitism is my start and finish line. Obviously the conflict in Gaza is just something you’re using to be able to give cover for your antisemitic beliefs. You don’t care about Palestinians. You just hate Jews.
And that makes you less than human and not worth my time.
Dehumanizing me now too? Wow you’re speed-running all the fascist boxes here aren’t you?
I mean I think among the majority of people she came out of the convention strong. But yeah as a progressive her speech definitely deflated me, still gonna vote but disappointed overall.
Everyone here is right about this still being neck and neck.
That said, let’s also take 2 seconds to acknowledge that Harris has kind of been killing it over the last 3-4 weeks. She took over that campaign apparatus and moved with urgency, precision, and polish. Moreover, she’s not taking her opponent’s bate.
Harris has been absolutely stellar, I thought she was OK before, but she has clearly exceeded my expectations.
PS: I think that last word should probably be “bait” not “bate”.
Trump’s 'bate?
I’m pretty confident he’s not physically capable of that anymore.
Makes me wonder if Biden maybe knew he might drop out earlier than he actually did and he was silently prepping her to be ready to go full force.
He, his family, his cabinet, and the entire Dem leadership knew the day after his debate. Everything else was obfuscation so they didn’t send public perception of the party into a tail spin while they circled the wagons. All the talk of “everyone still supports Biden 100%” was BS and anyone paying attention knew it.
That’s what I was thinking as well.
She’s deflated considerably since the Convention.
Refusing to allow Palestinian-American to speak and “The most lethal military” has and will continue to cost her with the antiwar and posesses basic human decency demographic.
She might still win. But historically moving to the right has only lost layup elections for democrats.
Trying to appeal to people that spend most of the day on the internet trying to find a reason not to vote isn’t a winning strategy.
If you’re fine with Trump winning, you don’t actually care about Palestinians, you only care about putting on a performance about caring about Palestinians for an internet audience. There’s no way for a political campaign to have success by appealing to people that have this level of internet brained irrationality.
The “not committed” people decided to remove themselves from the equation, which has resulted in their concerns not being a factor in this election. If the point is to only express anger on the internet (and not accomplish any change) then congratulations, you have someone else to be angry on the internet over. Like most anger on the internet it will be heavily monetized and make some people a lot of money. But they aren’t ever going to have success trying to appease people that profit off of expressing anger. Whatever they do won’t be good enough because there’s a profit motive to this anger.
I don’t understand your logic here. Declaring yourself “uncommitted” is the only leverage you have over a party that wants your vote. Telling them “I’m gonna vote for you but I won’t like it!” sounds the exact same to them as “I’m gonna vote for you and I love you!”. Once they have your vote guaranteed, they no longer have to address your concerns. This movement is targeting democrats because they are perceived as more susceptible to this kind of pressure (anti genocide). However, the pressure has to be applied to have a chance of success.
It’s foreign policy. Israel and Palestine was the most complex foreign policy issues in the world before October 7. Now it’s even worse. Joe Biden is working hard on a ceasefire. But he’s trying to get Netanyahu (who’s an incompetent fraudster not all that different from Trump) to make an agreement with Hamas which just made the architect of October 7 their leader. Most people understand this isn’t something that’s going to be easy.
But to the “uncommitted” he’s “Genocide Joe” and he’s complicit in war crimes. Companies that do any business in Israel? Also complicit. Universities that do business with companies that do business in Israel? Also complicit. I saw an article the other day that was saying Radiohead is somehow complicit for playing a gig in Israel a decade ago.
So you’re telling me that there’s something Kamala Harris (who is Vice President in Joe Biden’s administration) can do that will not make her complicit from the perspective of the “Genocide Joe” crowd? This is the problem when activists let their emotions run wild to the extent they no longer capable of any kind of compromise. There is nothing anyone can do to appease the most vocal in that group. There are many subs on this site where you get insta-banned if you deviate from the “Genocide Joe” rhetoric for even a second. People in this crowd don’t want to understand any nuance or hear anything other then expression of hatred towards Israel. The pro-Palestine crowd has become such an impenetrable bubble that Harris is more likely to convince every single MAGA to vote for her before she gets people in the pro-Palestine bubble to vote for her.
That movement has gone too far down a path of hatred to be able to engage in a positive way. It’s to the point now that I don’t feel like the goal is to actually help Palestinians, but it now seems to be mostly about hating Israel and playing a game degrees of separation from Israel to determine if someone is with the “evil Israelis”.
Bottom line, Kamala Harris isn’t going to get many votes from the “Genocide Joe” crowd no matter what she does.
But take heart, none of these protests ever meant anything anyway. Just not how foreign policy works. The most likely scenario is the “Genocide Joe” you hate will eventually bring an end to the conflict, which is exactly what would’ve happened without the protests. It’s only if Trump wins and Biden isn’t able to negotiate a ceasefire before Trump takes office will your protest have had an effect. And that effect will be an extreme negative for Palestinians. Nothing good ever comes from hatred and nothing good will come for Palestinians by hating Israel and Joe Biden and everyone associated with them. But likely Harris will win without you and your protest will have accomplished nothing, which is better than the alternative where your protest made things worse for Palestinians.
Jesus fuck. Talk less and listen more.
I’ve read you comment. Unfortunately your two sentences were not influential in any way.
Influential enough for you to spend a half an hour barfing up a bunch mostly irrelevant bullshit.
All you have is hatred. Now you’ve resorted to insulting me. Your hatred has made you incapable of having a conversation. You’ve removed yourself from political discourse because of an inability to have conversations without being overpowered by hatred.
Try harder to think about what you want to accomplish and how to best go about accomplishing it. You’re not being effective right now. Consider what you can do to actually be effective. Refusing to vote, refusing to discuss anything, throwing around insults doesn’t help anyone in Gaza.
As unlikely as it is cuz chump is historically shit. But possible that Harris loses. Should that happen. I hope you remember this post.
Because it woulda been real easy to turn this coinflip into a landslide. Let a genocide victim speak at the DNC and use the Lehey Law to embargo the Occupation. Cut off the bombs.
That’s it. Democrats would have locked in both houses and the presidency for a generation or more. Instead of taking a victory lap right now you’re here fingerwagging like the good little liberal you are.
Does AIPAC give you headpats or something? I know they’re not paying you. I’m not a liberal. So I’m not dumb enough to believe that. But what do you get out of being a volunteer amateur propagandist for a genocidal bloodthirsty empire?
Don’t answer that. I don’t actually care. My start and finish line is genocide. If you support it in any way, I dont support you under any circumstances. Nothing else matters. Because that’s the cliff of morality. If you’re OK with it anywhere happening to anyone youd be ok with it here, happening to your neighbors. And that makes you less than human and not worth my time. (You owe me $5 for this reality check btw)
Why? Because a small group of people that never would’ve voted for Harris because of her association with “Genocide Joe” wound up not voting for Harris?
And there it is: An antisemitic conspiracy theory. You can’t even have a conversation with someone on the issue without devolving to to the “Jewish puppet master” conspiracies within three replies. Yeah I’m sure a woman married to a Jew was going to be able get your vote somehow.
Antisemitism is my start and finish line. Obviously the conflict in Gaza is just something you’re using to be able to give cover for your antisemitic beliefs. You don’t care about Palestinians. You just hate Jews.
Dehumanizing me now too? Wow you’re speed-running all the fascist boxes here aren’t you?
Typical liberal.
Well. Enjoy the election. I’ll be enjoying the tiktoks and shitposts no matter which liberal wins.
We can check off hates democracy on your fascist bingo card.
I very much enjoy democracy. There’s just no place for someone with a soul in this one.
I mean I think among the majority of people she came out of the convention strong. But yeah as a progressive her speech definitely deflated me, still gonna vote but disappointed overall.