• li10@feddit.uk
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    1 year ago

    In theory, how would a different system really help?

    Currently the people in power manipulate and circumvent the system, do they magically disappear?

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    1 year ago

    Capitalism isn’t the “best system we’ve got”, though… it isn’t even the system we are all using right now.

    We’ve never operated in anything like a “purely” capitalist economy, and the socialist policies most western countries have put in place are wildly popular and few people would want to live without them.

    Countries that intelligently choose when and where and what things should be operated on a capitalist basis, have better outcomes.

    Healthcare? Not something anyone should make money off of. Basic housing, food, water, power… these should be immune to market forces.

    At the same time, capitalism drives fantastic technological and social innovation within its swimlane. We just have to pre-define what things people should be able to make money doing.

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      1 year ago

      Capitalism =/= markets.

      Socialism =/= public services.

      Markets are much older than capitalism, and socialism is a very simple economic idea, being the collective ownership of the means of production by the workers.

      Capitalism guides innovation towards increasing profits for capitalist, hardly “innovative”. The USSR was the first to the Moon, after being a feudalistic society, thanks to socialism.

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        Imean, the USSR wasn’t even good socialism. They still used money for quite a large set of things, businesses were very much NOT worker owned in many places, people could be killed by the whims of authorities and a dictator… Yep, not even good socialism got to space first.

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          1 year ago

          I mean, not having money is a communism thing, not socialism.

          But most businesses in the USSR were co-ops or state-owned.

          I’m not in the “the dictatorship of the proletariat is identical to collective ownership” camp, but I mean, that is in the end a difference of ideology regarding what socialism really is.

          And…. What dictator? I mean, all that “there’s no freedom in the USSR, if Stalin thinks you’re ugly you go to the gulag” is 100% propaganda, right? I mean the CIA admitted in their secret reports that not even Stalin was really a dictator, but that disclosing that wouldn’t be politically favourable to the US.

          And like… I don’t think the USSR killed anymore people than the US or Europe lmao

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            1 year ago

            “there’s no freedom in the USSR, if Stalin thinks you’re ugly you go to the gulag” is 100% propaganda, right?

            Sure buddy. That was just a psyop that the MAN wants us to believe so we don’t revolt and bring back communism.

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              1 year ago

              Oh no, I’m brainwashed! Lmao

              Sure buddy. Go back to believing everything your school textbooks and journalists on TV have been saying since the Cold War.

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      1 year ago

      The government forcing you to do certain jobs after deciding what people need. (But you imagine that you will get the nice jobs, and will get the good resources.)

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        1 year ago

        Or this but with no government and no rules. (But i will be a teacher of philosophy or do programming. totally a societal need.)

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          1 year ago

          Or someone will just rape and then kill You because “yay” there’s no gov and no rules ;)

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            1 year ago

            But then the whole community will come together to punish the rapist right? Right? Guys?