The U.S. Navy has seen its ship production drop to a 25-year low, falling behind Chinese production even as the service faces increasingly complex threats around the world.
Do you think high skill trades aren’t an education? I don’t think they are saying anything against a traditional university education, but more supporting skilled trades as well.
My mistake, they did say “instead of free college”. I think we could probably support both if we raised the standards a bit.
Even if the fractions you provided are accurate, they don’t speak to the qualitative benefit of educating a population. This seems to be a problem with conservatives, y’all are only concerned about quantitive measures.
What is the qualitative risk of an educated population?
I am not a conservative wtf… my body of work speaks for itself. What are you basing this clown take on?
they don’t speak to the qualitative benefit of educating a population.
This is benefit in the room with us right now?
All I see is increasingly improvised and indebted population, working longer hours, getting less benefits… people are not forming families. People can’t afford rent.
Now show me this benefit you are talking about, dear!
What is the qualitative risk of an educated population?
Debt slavery which solid part of millennials is currently suffering.
You may not be a conservative, but you are in their community and share a stance with them on this issue so pardon the generalization but it’s still true.
“This is benefit” is not grammatically correct. Even if it was I have no clue what you’re getting at. Do you not know what a qualitative benefit is?
“Increasingly improvised” also makes no sense. I agree people cannot afford things, so it makes no sense to paywall knowledge.
What benefit would you like to see?
I think you’re arguing against the status quo, which I am too. But I’m not sure if English is a second language for you or not which may be affecting the efficacy of our conversation.
My apologies, could you please clarify?
My point being that it is ridiculous to withhold knowledge from the population. Ignorance is a detriment to society. Just because one generation did not dramatically improve when it was less paywalled doesn’t mean knowledge isn’t worth our society investing in.
All I see is increasingly improvised and indebted population, working longer hours, getting less benefits… people are not forming families. People can’t afford rent.
Not every job requires a college degree, but since we have made it available to anyone with a pulse, employers are pushing for them even when they provide no value. I have seen a stupid job posting for a master’s degree for a 20-an-hour job. The degree isn’t required for a license or some other practical reason.
, but since we have made it available to anyone with a pulse
Who is this “we”? Are you owner of a company? Because I am not, I made not such decisions. Did you you?
Employers start pushing for this shit starting 40 years ago and people respond as manufacturing jobs go eroded. so THEY made it a requirement for secretary needing an English major… trying getting that job with out a BA lol
If we’re talking about altering society on a mass scale, you’re damned right I care about measurable outcomes.
I value freedom. I value economic consent. If you’re going to use centralized power to forcibly trade me something else for a loss of those two, the the other thing needs to be measurable.
You were characterizing what I value, as a conservative. I’m agreeing; I’m not interested in “qualitative benefits”, that are not also quantifiable. Use of government power to alter the world must be justified with measurable metrics.
China created a booming solar industry by subsidizing it heavily. We can do that too with other industries, and the subsidy can come in the form of trades education.
No, we poured tons of government money into making college accessible. I went to college on loans designed for that purpose.
We valued college and we backed the notion with hard cash. Well, with forced loans.
It drove the price of college through the roof though. Just like housing, just like medicine, just like all the other things we provide government money to help people get.
It’s a consistent pattern. People don’t trust the free market, something is deemed too important to let the market handle, so we pump government money into purchasing assistance and, predictably to anyone who’s taken macroeconomics 101, the prices of those things skyrocket and the availability drops.
Do you think high skill trades aren’t an education? I don’t think they are saying anything against a traditional university education, but more supporting skilled trades as well.
My mistake, they did say “instead of free college”. I think we could probably support both if we raised the standards a bit.
I agree we could support both. My comment was addressing the idea of valuing one over the other.
Well we spent 30 years valuing college… How did that work out?
We valued the idea of going to college, yes.
What we failed to do was value the accessibility of college.
Anyone who had a social security and blood pulse could go to college and that’s what happened.
1/3 failed out,1/3 doing jobs which don’t require a college degree.
1/3 benefited to varying degree.
Do you think we needed note millennials in college.
Even if the fractions you provided are accurate, they don’t speak to the qualitative benefit of educating a population. This seems to be a problem with conservatives, y’all are only concerned about quantitive measures.
What is the qualitative risk of an educated population?
I am not a conservative wtf… my body of work speaks for itself. What are you basing this clown take on?
This is benefit in the room with us right now?
All I see is increasingly improvised and indebted population, working longer hours, getting less benefits… people are not forming families. People can’t afford rent.
Now show me this benefit you are talking about, dear!
Debt slavery which solid part of millennials is currently suffering.
You may not be a conservative, but you are in their community and share a stance with them on this issue so pardon the generalization but it’s still true.
“This is benefit” is not grammatically correct. Even if it was I have no clue what you’re getting at. Do you not know what a qualitative benefit is?
“Increasingly improvised” also makes no sense. I agree people cannot afford things, so it makes no sense to paywall knowledge.
What benefit would you like to see?
I think you’re arguing against the status quo, which I am too. But I’m not sure if English is a second language for you or not which may be affecting the efficacy of our conversation.
My apologies, could you please clarify?
My point being that it is ridiculous to withhold knowledge from the population. Ignorance is a detriment to society. Just because one generation did not dramatically improve when it was less paywalled doesn’t mean knowledge isn’t worth our society investing in.
cute
Not every job requires a college degree, but since we have made it available to anyone with a pulse, employers are pushing for them even when they provide no value. I have seen a stupid job posting for a master’s degree for a 20-an-hour job. The degree isn’t required for a license or some other practical reason.
Who is this “we”? Are you owner of a company? Because I am not, I made not such decisions. Did you you?
Employers start pushing for this shit starting 40 years ago and people respond as manufacturing jobs go eroded. so THEY made it a requirement for secretary needing an English major… trying getting that job with out a BA lol
If we’re talking about altering society on a mass scale, you’re damned right I care about measurable outcomes.
I value freedom. I value economic consent. If you’re going to use centralized power to forcibly trade me something else for a loss of those two, the the other thing needs to be measurable.
I wasn’t talking to you.
Who’s forcing you to be educated/uneducated?
You’re missing the part where the current system effectively forces the poor to remain uneducated.
You were characterizing what I value, as a conservative. I’m agreeing; I’m not interested in “qualitative benefits”, that are not also quantifiable. Use of government power to alter the world must be justified with measurable metrics.
That is the problem—too many unqualified people in the pipeline.
The problem is that there are not enough well paying jobs to support this “educated” population esp with a ton of debt.
China created a booming solar industry by subsidizing it heavily. We can do that too with other industries, and the subsidy can come in the form of trades education.
Obama subsidized solar too… What do we have to show for it?
Again, why should impoverished taxpayer subsidize the capex of property owner? In free entperise and private capitalist society why is we paying here?
agreed.
No, we poured tons of government money into making college accessible. I went to college on loans designed for that purpose.
We valued college and we backed the notion with hard cash. Well, with forced loans.
It drove the price of college through the roof though. Just like housing, just like medicine, just like all the other things we provide government money to help people get.
It’s a consistent pattern. People don’t trust the free market, something is deemed too important to let the market handle, so we pump government money into purchasing assistance and, predictably to anyone who’s taken macroeconomics 101, the prices of those things skyrocket and the availability drops.
Sounds like forced loans were the problem, not the government funded education.
With proper funding, you shouldn’t have had to take out loans.