• ralphio@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Bit of a double standard though, right? They don’t have to affirm Palestinian’s right to statehood. If not saying Israel is a legitimate state is anti-semitism, wouldn’t that make the same stance toward Palestine islamaphobia?

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      Yes. It’s a Double standard. It was born out of history. Namely the genocide on the Jews by the nationalsocialists.

      Germany doesn’t have a special history with Palestine, so they don’t get mentioned.

      And yes, I think Germany should recognise a Palestinian state.

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        What does israel have to do with anti-semitsm?

        You keep intentionally conflating Judaism and Zionism after been corrected.

        Furthermore you don’t appear to know the history of israel. Zionists had been colonizing Palestine years before Hitler came to power.

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            But that’s the point. Recognizing israel is absolutely irrelevant to anti-semitism.

            If anything israel using Judaism as a shield for their war crimes is the biggest cause of anti-semitism.

            So this move by the German government does not combat anti-semitism. It creates anti-semitism by specifically calling israel a “Jewish” state.

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              Recognizing israel is absolutely irrelevant to anti-semitism.

              Many people in this thread don’t seem to know this, but within German neo-Nazi movements that’s absolutely wrong. Revoking Israel’s right to exist is the number one talking point of the people doing hitler salutes again.

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                That’s completely false.

                The AfD is full of antisemites. Nonetheless, it fully supports Israel.

                Following Hamas’ October 7th attacks, Alexander Gauland (speaking as the honorary AfD chairman) said “The attack was not only aimed at the Jewish state, it was also aimed at us. Israel is the West in an environment that rejects and fights the West. When we stand with Israel, we are also defending our way of life”. This idea of ‘defending a way of life’ is common anti-immigrant rhetoric, and one the AfD frequently utilises to criticise immigration policy in Germany.

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                  The AfD obviously doesn’t say the quiet part out loud, they’re already on the brink of proceedings to be banned. I’m talking about actual skinheads.

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                    I know what the AfD is. It symbolizes the situation perfectly. The biggest actual anti-semites are supporters of israel.

                    Because israel has nothing to do with Judaism. Israel is just classic white nationalism creating Lebensraum in the Middle East.

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        This is Germany’s “special history” with the Palestinians being created right now. This. This supporting and enabling their genocide.