The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has published a major new report documenting how the Israeli prison system has become “a network of torture camps,” where physical, psychological and sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners is normalized and routine.
The report, titled “Welcome to Hell,” collects the testimony of 55 Palestinians who were detained by Israeli authorities since October 7 and later released, almost all without charges. This comes as a group of U.N. experts condemned the widespread torture of Palestinians and as Israel’s Channel 12 News aired shocking footage of Israeli soldiers sexually abusing a prisoner at the Sde Teiman army base, where thousands of detainees from Gaza are held.
Sarit Michaeli, the international advocacy lead for B’Tselem, says the abuse in Israeli prisons is “systemic, ongoing and state-sanctioned,” reflecting the cruelty and thirst for revenge among a growing number of Israelis. “They would like to have a completely open field in terms of what they can do to Palestinians,” says Michaeli.
You can find the full report of testimonies here
And yet you comment on Israel. LMFAO. I already had you half-pegged as an Israeli but that definitely disqualifies you, you know nothing about Israel.
Nothing, whatsoever. Where it becomes problematic is turning it into a colonial project. And no, early Zionists were not at all shy about calling what they were doing colonialism.
1920 is what the article you linked starts off with. It has pretty much nothing to do with Rischon LeZion.
Who got pillaged, when? And, yes, shit happens. The right course of action would’ve been to round up the perpetrators and put them before court. What the Idrun did, instead, was to bomb police stations and market places.
As to your insinuations of antisemitism: I’m German with Jewish roots. My grandfather barely survived the race laws. My aunt lives in Israel. I could grab my passport, fly to Israel, and get citizenship on arrival. My political stance regarding the whole thing can be best summed up as vaguely Labour-Zionist. You know, the kind of Israelis who get beaten up by Israeli police right now for protesting the genocide. The kind of people more concerned with pudding prices than killing Arabs.
There’s two things to understand if you ever want to see an end to the bloodshed in that area:
Fascists on both sides are happy to make sure neither of the two ever happens. They mutually depend on each other.
That contradicts itself. How can you have me half pegged as an Israeli if I know nothing. I would have to know a decent amount of something.
Ohh no they setup a colony where persecuted Jews across Europe could escape to. You might wonder if the Jews moving to that area may have been a good thing? With the Jews also brought lots of Arab immigrants as well. And just for some numbers in 1900 there were around 600,000 Arabs in Israel and 90 thousand Jews.
Yes it does. It shows how things escalated over the 30 years after the settlement of Rishon LeZion and to what degree the Palestine Arabs escalated it.
Rishon LeZion. 1983 while they were starving with no water well trying to transport water on camelback to farm the land. How can they round up the perpetrators? I’m assuming the perpetrators hide behind some guarded fortress. You think a starving people is going to accomplish that?
Then back to the Jerusalem Post article the relevant part is here: you even pointed to it yourself.
Here are some announcements and warnings the Irgun gave to Palestine-Arabs. Why are you so apologetic for those murderers?
You can regurgitate right-wing Israeli propaganda myths quite well, that’s not common outside of Israel. But from an Israeli the reaction to Kahanites being mentioned would have been either a) “Hell yeah sure let’s kill all Arabs” or b) “No Kahanites are terrible you see my position is different because I want Arabs dead not because I hate them but because I’m afraid of them” or c) “fuck yeah they’re our version of Hamas keeping the bullshit conflict going”.
You mean whether colonialism is a good thing? No. No, it isn’t.
…erm, what? If you meant 1893, well, first off it’s a bad idea to start off an agricultural settlement without specialists in agriculture or irrigation, secondly, I was speaking generally. It would’ve first been British responsibility to round up instigators, which they couldn’t really do because Zionists, instead of working with the British, bombed them instead, nowadays it’s Israeli responsibility and we all know how Apartheid courts work: Throw a stone at a tank, not even scratching the paint, get sentenced to 15 years in prison. As a juvenile, mind you.
You’re again talking about Rishon LeZion’s startup trouble, I presume. How is the responsibility of random Johnny Arab to go out of their way to help some random Jews wanting to settle in the middle of nowhere without proper preparation. Why would they owe the settlers that.
Oh. Is that it? “We warned them we would be bombing the shit out of marketplaces and they didn’t cease to do perfectly normal and peaceful things like visiting the market to buy and sell food so we had no choice but to terrorise them”. That is murder apologia if I’ve ever seen it.
And yet the terror continued.
Then why did the population of Arabs in the area exponentially grow. It doesn’t seem as bad as you make it to be. You act like Jews came there and stole their land and pillaged them. As I pointed out with Rishon LeZion in 1883 it’s not really the case it’s the other way around if anything.
Why shouldn’t Jews have a colony in Israel anyways? Why only Arabs?
Wonder why they would do that? British sure we’re helping them. /s
Anyways for someone who hates colonialism so much you sure are upset they got the Brits up out of there.
No, you know, you’re right. Instead it was their responsibility to pillage them. Why would they owe them anything else than the pillaging of their starving settlement. Cowards. And you’re upset they lost their own war? From what I read they were always savage pillagers for hundreds of years. Until someone checked them. And they checked them fucking hard. Deservingly at that.
Maybe they didn’t heed to the warnings and stop terrorizing people themselves. Wtf are you supposed to do? Wait another 30 years and hope it all stops?
Also you have to think once they got their own state or colony or whatever you call it the Irgun ended all that. On top of it the Irgun isn’t an official entity of the Israeli government. In fact their govt labeled them a terrorist organization.
Of course it did. They been terrorizing for hundreds of years.
Because child mortality decreased while birth rates didn’t fall. Natural population growth.
Jews have always lived in the area as not all Palestinians happened to convert to Christianity and later Islam back in the day.
Why should random diaspora Jews have a right to settle there, though? Two different ways:
Israel is founded on a myth of #1 while actually doing, or at least tolerating, #2. That’s what the Nakhba was.
It became state policy.
Did you ever wonder where the IDF was on the 7th of October? Why it wasn’t at the ready to repel the attack? It was busy backing up settler violence in the West Bank. Or do you want to deny what Israel is doing in the West Bank? The state-sanctioned terror going on there?
No, actually, they didn’t. Jews haven’t terrorised anyone for millennia, that’s a development which started with Zionism, particularly in its right-wing incarnations.
“No stay where you are in Russia where they are killing and raping you.”
You have revisionist context. The nakhba started in 1948. You act like the Palestine Arabs did nothing wrong themselves over the 66 years since the first settlements.
You leave out stuff like this
And this
In 1922 11% of the population was Jew settlers.
It started after 30 years of being ransacked by the Arabian looters of the area who were doing that for at least 300 years.
Then you brought up land sales as well. So, this all started because they sold their land to Jews then were mad Jews moved into the land?
People were once saying there was no Hamas in West Bank. There were no supporters there. Then it came out Hamas was indeed there. They should just leave them alone, eh?
Why Israel? As far as I can see New York is the real Zion.
What the burned olive trees, cared about for by one Palestinian family for generations, were Hamas?
You’re worried about olive trees when they kill innocent and kidnap them into torture tunnels? You’re worried about West bank terrorist olive trees? Olive trees are what you’re worried about? While there are still hostages in tunnels you worry about olive trees?
They should burn every last centuries old as well as sapling olive tree until those people are returned.
Would you say the olive trees of jenin are Hamas olive trees?
One guy yelled that all are Hamas? When the rest didn’t say anything then obviously it must be true because it’s what you like to believe.