• Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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      If the means of production is owned by the people, why would there be people with more money than others, let alone billions?

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      Uh, yes, it is an argument, whether or not you want to close your eyes to reality. Billionaires do not occur without individuals using concentrations of capital or power to extract large amounts of value from laborers. The wealth inequality in China is very present, due to the fact that it is capitalism.

      You would do well to join the people capable of observing objective reality instead of scouring the web for essays that cite philosophers instead of data. That would require confronting your cognitive biases, though.

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        They’re literally defending the existence of The People’s Billionaires as proletarian liberation. They’re a lost cause, like most tankies.

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          Totally agree. The essay they posted has some funny magical thinking if you want to skim through it for a laugh. “Billionaires are good actually because we need them to be like a sort of USB plug so we can link into capitalist economies. Anyway the state can execute them as a scapegoat if the need arises. Here’s a few dozen quotes from philosophers. See? Still socialist.”

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            As Mao also said, “let one hundred flowers bloom in social science and arts and let one hundred of view points be expressed in the field of science.”, and then promptly jailed and murdered those who expressed themselves. Not sure he’s the ideal champion of free thought.

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                Jailing reactionaries is objectively good, the Cultural Revolution just went a little too far (like the Great Purge before it).

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                You know. I imagine most tankies are just radicalised westerners.

                But you my friend, I would be willing to bet you’re a chinese state sponsered keyboard warrior.

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          Socialism is about control of the means of production.

          Oh, you’re closer to reality than I imagined. Ok, so the billionaires are receiving billions of dollars with whose means of production?

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              Workers who own the means opt to force billions in wealth they generated upon these unfortunate individuals who must act as lightning rods for criticism. Instead of distributing it amongst themselves or spending on infrastructure. Very realistic perspective, thank you.

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                  I believe it isn’t distributing the billions of yuan that are going to these individuals who own means of production, yes.

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          Socialism is not about wealth inequality. Socialism is about control of the means of production.

          “Chinese billionaires are just really well paid proletarians” said no one sane ever.