• Comment105@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Schools always did this.

    Never expelling the bullies, always expelling the kid that was bullied to their breaking point when they retaliated.

    I am convinced that the people who choose to be teachers (and especially principals) also tend to be the kind of people who like and relate to bullies.

    In general a lot of them seen to enjoy bullying as a method of “correcting” other people to align with your will. A method some of them seem to feel they are unjustly restrained from utilizing fully.

  • mekromansah@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I was born in the early 90s and there was an AFAB person who very early on insisted they were actually a boy. I do remember thinking it was weird when I was a kid but the more they presented masculine the more it became “That’s just the way they are” and I accepted it.

    They were masculine presenting as early as 4th grade if I remember correctly. They were a beacon of light in high school for other queer people who hadn’t figured themselves out yet. And they were super nice and friendly so everyone liked them.

    They waited until our first year of college before asking us to refer them with he/him pronouns. It just made sense. I had a better understanding of gender and its spectrum by this point so it I remember thinking “finally.”

    Unfortunately he was in a car accident not too long after, and passed away. The world is sincerely lesser from his passing.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      My daughter goes to school with a transboy. I suspected he was trans from his behavior, haircut, etc. the first time when he and my daughter were at a pool party together when they were 9 years old. I’m so glad we live in an era where it’s more comfortable (although there’s still a long way to go) for someone like him to be who they really are.

  • frazw@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    So Heather thinks that no one talked about it because it simply hadn’t occurred to anyone rather than being afraid?

    Or is Heather saying she preferred it when they suffered in silence?

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    1 year ago

    “I didn’t see it therefore it never existed” is the most insane fucking logic to me

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      1 year ago

      And stupid when obviously the only question one would need to ask in this context is “are there trans people over 30?” And the answer is “absolutely fucking yes”

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      1 year ago

      Agreed, yet it’s one of the most common logical fallacies.

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    Absolutely true. No one (well, very few, even the obvious ones) was even openly gay before the 2000s

    People who weren’t around as at least a teen before 2000s have no clue how silent anyone was on being gay. It just about never was discussed

    It was not a safe thing to admit. Being trans would be significantly worse for them I’m sure

    The original question is just groomer-accusing trash, probably by someone who indoctrinates children religiously and are scared another group “with an agenda” might get to them first

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      Yep. Nobody was out in the 90s. None. The one goth kid that wore a tiny bit of eyeliner was a big fucking deal and he was straight (had a big tiddy goth gf).

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        You’re going too far. There were definitely plenty of kids out in the 90s. Not as many as today, but maybe one or two per school, depending on the school.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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          Being “out” as in everyone knew it publicly, or just some rumors going on and maybe their closest friends actually being in on it?

          In my highschool of 600 people in the 2000s i am not aware if a single person that was officially out. Instead for most of the people you’d suspect it, it later became official.

  • GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world
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    Heather is, unfortunately, very typical. It didn’t happen in her world so therefore it wasn’t really a “thing”

    I’m always surprised at how people can’t seem to imagine a world that isn’t a mirror image of their reality.

    • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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      It is the same reason they feel attacked by someone else living in a same sex relationship. If the outside world is different then they think theyd have to mirror it.

      So if it is okay to be gay, they think theyd have to be too, because for them only one way of life can exist at a time and any deviation needs to be eradicated.

      It is almost like a mental defiancy that large parts of the population are suffering from.