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Yup, felt pretty stupid after I found it
I’m out of the loop, what happened?!
Yeah I missed the drama too
There’s no real drama. Beehaw is defederating from some instances with shitty communities. That’s all.
I don’t understand people who want this to be another reddit. Reddit was awful lmao
IMHO, the big problem is that defederating causes a bunch of problems when you’re cutting ties with an instance that is 99.9% good actors.
Sure, you cut out the trolls, but you also totally fuck up the user experience for the vast majority of well intentioned people.
Example, I’m on Lemmy.world, and my wife is on beehaw. We often both comment to a Lemmy.ml community, and neither of us can see each others comments even though Lemmy.ml is neutral ground.
Eh, having read the information provided upfront by beehaw upon joining their instance, I find it unsurprising that they’d block an instance that allows something as discriminatory as the_donald. I’m on a different instance altogether, but I wouldn’t be surprised if our server owner is keeping an eye on that situation as well. I know we’ve already defederated from a few such as lemmygrad, and one of our rules is “No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, or casteism,” which is one of the reason I joined this instance in the first place.
There are plenty of instances you can join that allow Republicanism, Stalinism, Maoism, or whichever other extremist communities you want to see. Personally, I’m not looking for another reddit. I want something better than that.
For something better than Reddit, manly better mod tools and better mods than on Reddit would be required…
the whole de-federating thing is seriously turning me off to the whole concept of lemmy, it’s like little dictators with their sceptres cutting off entire communities from each other. it’s a major flaw and I hope it gets addressed as lemmy/fediverse evolves, or else it’s not going to work
I mean I’d rather people have freedom over their property (aka their servers) than one entity be able to dictate to the entirety of lemmy.
If I set up a server my instance will have my rules. I won’t allow NSFW nor will I allow any hate speech or promotion of extremist views such as nazism, fascism, imperialism, anything encouraging violence or threats, religious extremist beliefs such as sharia law and fundamental Christianity etc.
I would not federate with any instances that break MY rules. That’s why it’s my instance. I made it, maintain it. My interest isn’t getting as many people on my instance as possible but to give a space for people who want to participate on that kind of instance. Some instances will focus on hating LGBT and being sexist etc and while that’s horrific they’re allowed to do whatever as long as it doesn’t break lemmy TOS which i honestly don’t know what it is. Anyway, it’s weird to see anyone label freedom to do what one wants with their property as being dictators.
There is no lemmy TOS by the way. There is no central authority to all of this. Much like real life, people tend to stay away from the weirdos and in the fediverse they just defederate from a group of weirdos if it becomes too bad.
But to be honest, defederation is an absolutely minor inconvenience. Most important instance will of course cooperate and have similar rules. It’s just that we are on a very young platform right now and the moderation tools are not as advanced as elsewhere. Currently, defederation is just a temporary band-aid solution to make the admin’s lifes easier. It’ll get better and sort itself out over time.
If you like spreading hate, you will of course always have a problem with defederation. You likely won’t be able to participate in normal discussions on normal instances as well as vile portrayals of humanities’ worst with the same account. But that’s not a new concept. People have had two accounts for normal discussion and things like NSFW subs before.
I don’t know how any of this works either, but I’m hoping for a solution that makes it harder for owners of large instances throwing their weight around to affect the users so drastically.
Something I can imagine would be the ability to be logged in to multiple accounts at once, so a user could see and interact with multiple unlinked instances seamlessly. Commenting or posting in a community would default to either an account made in that communities instance, or the next available account in a linked instance.
I think this is sort of how it works now, we’re just missing the ability to make the experience seamless.
Sure, it would be possible to program such an app. But in the long run, there will probably be some “main” network of instances that ban gore, hatespeech etc. that will federate as normal. There will also be smaller networks of nasty stuff and if you are into that, you will just need two accounts at most. I can’t see someone who is big on communism enjoy themselves on right-wing circlejerk sublemmys anyways.
