Not going to celebrate full employment until hiring practices see some noticeable regulation.
Like non compete clauses being banned? Passed by the FTC apparently down party lines. So, vote for Dems.
That’s a start
Yeahhh. Not to mention that these numbers are inflated by part-time employment and “gig” jobs being at an ATH, while full-time hirings are down
Unemployment numbers are bullshit because it specifically drops any that haven’t found work in months.
And then to rub it in, even if you’re unemployed, your benefits are garbage, and not need-based.
You’re talking about the U6 numbers. Those are tracked as well
It’s almost as if half of these comments are economically illiterate.
Its irritating to see twitter-level bullshit starting to creep in here
It’s irritating to see condescension and people being needlessly smug too.
It’s not bullshit. Why would you count stay at home parents who are not looking for a job because they have no interest in them? Why would you count people going to school with the plan of helping themselves out in the future?
It’s not perfect because, as you point out, some people get discouraged and drop out. But considering there is a labor shortage right now, this argument doesn’t make much sense as these people should be rejoining the work force.
Fuck the premise of “full employment.” As if having an income that supports you is some binary fact of job or no job. What about shitty job with an exploitative organization the federal government has permitted to become an oligopoly?
Wait there was full employment? That wasn’t my experience over the 10 months I was unemployed. It wasn’t my experience watching the mass layoffs in my field.
I feel like I have been gaslit by the news saying the economy is up and unemployment is down and all I can see around me is the contrary. The past year was infuriating
That is shitty, and it probably won’t make you feel better, but there were people doing very well during the depression as well. The average is just that, average. Individuals experience wildly different realities.
Well, you are absolutely right that it doesn’t make it better lol. It’s like that “Well, it could be worse” thing people say. The people doing very well during the depression were doing so at the expense of everyone else. I wouldn’t say it’s a good thing for a parasite to be engorged on its host.
I just hate how the media acts like everything is peachy and good as I see another mass layoff knowing my contract won’t be renewed. While I get that this is not at all representative, I did see a big industry fire so many people after record profits.
Where I live, I’ve been seeing a lot of people struggling to get groceries and shit while the market boomed, as supermarkets made record profits. I applied to many hundreds of jobs during a hiring shortage, and I have a few friends who applied to more.
I get these metrics aren’t supposed to represent me, but they do not represent the world around me either. If not that, then who is it supposed to represent?
And to be told that “Bidenomics is good for the economy” might be factual based on these metrics, but to see all those good lines go up and bad lines go down and see everyone around me struggle is super fucking dissonant, and to get that level of gaslighting is a bit insulting.
The economy is complete bullshit and isn’t a metric of the average either.
The time during Bidens presidency has been fantastic for me and my family. Both my wife and I got huge pay raises, she then switched jobs for a much better hours and still making bank. We’ve been saving a lot of money and our investments have skyrocketed. Things are clearly more expensive, but I haven’t had to worry about it too much. Also because I live in a fairly well off area, it appears everyone else is doing very well.
Because my personal situation has been so good, should I assume that this is true for everyone in our country? Or should I be smart and recognize that my personal experience is anecdotal and not representative of the whole economy? Should I blame the media too for reporting what’s actually happening?
I’m glad things are going well for you, and I don’t mean this in any sarcastic way or anything.
Because my personal situation has been so good, should I assume that this is true for everyone in our country? Or should I be smart and recognize my personal experience is anecdotal and not representative of the whole economy? Should I blame the media too for reporting what’s actually happening?
I get my personal experience isn’t the average. I also get that, while a better representation, knowing the experiences that my friends and family are having isn’t the average.
My problem isn’t my experiences not matching the average. My issue is the metrics used by media are not a representation of average, and the pain of seeing these metrics show things are supposedly getting better where so many things around me are getting worse, at times in order to improve the metrics used by the media.
My issues are twofold:
I don’t think the metrics used by the media, ie the stock market, are wholly representative of whether or not things are going good for the average American. When things plummet, sure, I’d agree that’s a good metric, since companies will panic and then people will get screwed. But I don’t think markets doing well means things are doing well for the average American.
Sure, the line might be going up, that’s good for some people, but there are many reasons why that could be happening that have no impact, or even a negative impact on the average person. For example, a new technology could have been discovered that lets workers do double the work. A company that fires half their staff will now be making more profit, since they are paying less in wages, and therefore their stock values will rise. Half of their employees were sacrificed on the altar of the stock market for those gains. To use a more recent and frequent example of something that fucked me over: tech layoffs. Tech companies will often purge a lot of employees when doing things like preparing for an acquisition, or immediately following one. Sometimes, they will just thin out their staff following a completed project, or something similar. This often has a positive impact on stocks, but a dire impact on workers.
I also have an issue with the partisanship of the media and how the economy is presented to us differently based on who is in power and the bias of those, but that’s a whole new can of worms.
things are supposedly getting better where so many things around me are getting worse,
But things are getting better. This isn’t to say we don’t have a lot of catching up to do, because of the damage that inflation has done, but the overwhelming amount of the numbers make it pretty clear that we are going in the right direction.
I don’t think the metrics used by the media, ie the stock market
This is not at all the metric we are using. You are specifically complaining about unemployment rate. Which is what this post is about. It’s funny to bitch about the media being misleading, while complaining about the market not representing the average joe…when the number being discussed in the article is not the market and does represent something good for the average joe.
There are tons of bad jobs available but no good jobs. In the government’s eyes these things are equivalent and that is the problem.
Yeah, I know. Unemployment is a fucked metric, especially if you have the misfortune to have student loans, a shit job, and live in an expensive area, you’re quite simply fucked.
At my job unless you have 100% availability with 0 restrictions you cannot acquire more than 20 hours at minimum wage plus change. Not a surviving wage.
It’s insane to me that employment isn’t given any nuance.
Because in the past ‘a job’ was enough. It’s not anymore but the boomers and Gen X don’t understand that.
Don’t lump X with the boomers. We have had vastly different experiences.
Yet y’all are pulling similar shit these days…
Stow that shit. They’re not the same and you know it. XYZ solidarity matters.
Then why are they punching down.
They aren’t. Pick your fights after November.
Congratulations! You are employed, even if you are only working half the normal hours to get a luxurious starvation wage!
I hope you are proud to be a golden star on this country’s incredible employment statistics! Uncle Sam loves ya for it!
Aaaaand on that note, I think it’s time I play Outer Worlds again.
I just got laid off so my tractor factory could send my job to Mexico
Don’t be scared to name and shame. Unless there’s legal reasons why you can’t.
I’m not scared, it’s Deere. Deere spent an ass load of money on stock buybacks and sent our jobs to Mexico so they could make line go up and enrich themselves at the cost of their workforce and product quality. Now instead of paying me $40/hr they can give a Mexican $5 (which I understand isn’t even that good in Mexico) and John May can afford caviar and luxury furs for his horses.
Still making record profits though, praise be to Line, the only thing that matters.
You’ll find that one of your voting options promotes this far more often than the other. If this is your single-issue vote, you’ll be happy to know that you may debatably have been in good hands, but you were in the best hands.
I’m sorry the umbrella of unionization didn’t extend far enough to protect you this time, but I hope it will have by next time; and I hope you have a good job quickly.
Trump will 100% send the rest of our jobs to Mexico just like did with Carrier. I really hope Future President Harris doesn’t.
I dunno, most people are probably going to remember his decisions on Gaza much more strongly.
Probably not, historically the villain in that story will definitely be Netanyahu… he’d likely get supporting actor credits at best.
I disagree that he’ll have a good legacy though, his economic legacy will likely be dwarfed by his lack of action to stop the Supreme Court. History is rarely fair.
Trump would have been forced to do the same though. It’s in the US governments blood to support Israel unconditionally (it’s their project after all).
I genuinely don’t get how “Trump would have been forced to do the same though” even works as an excuse.
Wouldn’t it be better off if biden risked his career to actually try and prevent the genocide from continuing? Wouldn’t it be better if he even took a small risk to try and actually prevent Netanyahu from crossing one of his many lines? Wouldn’t it be better if we learned from our mistakes in WWII and instead of appeasing the fascists, we did something about fascism? Netanyahu will not be pleased with only Gaza.
To paint it as a necessity, ie “trump would have been forced to do the same,” is genuinely disgusting. This removes all agency the person in power had when they made the decisions that led up to this, and it removes the agency they have to fix this. To say the “most powerful man in the world” was forced to aid and abet a genocide is such a bullshit argument and I really wish people would just realize that.
I think it’s the worst kind of pragmatism to consider it a necessity of geopolitics to just casually cleanse a people. That sort of thing is how you make the evils of this world palatable for people on the news.
Yeah I know it sucks but that’s how the government of USA ticks. Also I am not a US resident so your rant sadly was wasted. If you are one though, be the change you want to see.
I’m well aware that the us government sucks since I live under it.
But saying “that’s just how it works” is a thought terminating cliche.
Meh, he’ll probably be remembered more like Truman or Eisenhower
If Trump wins, Buchanan is more likely.
I’ll give you $10 if you can point to Palestine on a map.
Should I send my PayPal details or is there some other payment method you prefer. I can even show you which bits are Gaza and which bits are the West Bank - it’ll be educational!
Just say you don’t care and move on, coward.
Or the fact that he fucked up Afghanistan withdrawal so hard he basically gave the Taliban a billion dollars in weapons, military vehicles and other materiel.
Okay hold on. The equipment being left behind is not something that was avoidable. That’s the entire reason we signed it over to the ANA. Anything we actually cared about was already out of the country or air shippable and ready to go. Just on a logistics note, we spent 20 years shipping equipment into the country. There was no way it was all getting removed in 6 months.
And the only way he could have stopped the cascade failure was to foresee it and rapidly deploy several light infantry brigades. On day 1, January 21st, 2020. The Taliban were in a go mode from the day Trump lost the election because they were afraid Biden would go back on the “deal”. That’s why there was a cascade failure. They got to spend 7 months herding sympathetic politicians into line. And any attempt to walk away from Trump’s folly would have triggered their main force coming over the border.
So without being psychic, and without super powers to teleport years worth of logistics, this was always the way it was going to happen. Which is the entire reason Trump put the date past the election.
Gotta love every armchair general that incorrectly thinks they know more than the difference between their asshole and a hole in the ground.
Yep. Forever and ever, we’ll remember him as Genocide Joe. That is his name now and for the rest of all time. What a legacy.
